By: Jonas [2001-11-05]

Pumpkins

but how could I warn them?

I would like - if I may - to tell you about the girl with whom I carpool to school every morning. I am not sure how much to tell, however, as I wish to relate some specific information she has imparted unto me since Halloween. Perhaps, though, I will offer a brief description in order to properly set the stage.

Her name is not K., but that is what I will call her for confidentiality's sake. She is not an altogether bad person; in fact she is quite the upstanding Christian, which makes her a very nice person - sadly though, she is not of the hip, current "WWJD" variety of Christian (at least the ones who don't tread into evangelistic territory), but of the conservative sheltered variety. Not fundamentalist, just boring.

While I'm not one to judge a person by the clothes that they wear I am someone who will judge a person by the clothes that they wear, and K.? well, K. wears brown boat shoes. I didn't even know boat shoes existed anymore. Complemented with alternating jeans and khakis, nondescript shirts, and a braid as thick as your arm that could be tucked in her belt (if she wears one), we have someone who does not devote a lot of her time to fashion.

Which is perfectly all right (although if I may about the hair, I've found in past experience that people who grow their hair markedly long seem to tend to do so with time and attention made abundant due to sheltered-ness, e.g., Mennonites).

She also listens exclusively to classical music, which is also perfectly all right; I had a good friend in high school who listened only to classical and 20th-century music - granted, he was also an elitist nerd who played AD&D (before I did), but he did turn me on to Beavis & Butt-head (it was funny at the time).

Actually, she also listens to Praise 106.5 FM, the Christian worship station from Washington state - I know this because she listens to it every morning on the way to school. I've nothing against worshipping
God; after all, it's part of the Christian faith, and if God exists then hey, He probably deserves some worshipping - but if I were a deity, and my followers decided to worship me with dynamic-less soft rock songs repeating the same words and phrases both within and between themselves ("I'd like to request 'Praise the Lord'" / "All right, by whom?")? Well, I'd be in flood-mode.

I appear to have sidetracked myself. Ah yes.

I'm not trying to bad-mouth her, since she is my ride and what goes around has a way of coming around, but there you have it. I am merely attempting to paint a picture of her character, admittedly from my viewpoint, so that you, dear readers, might understand.

So K. is quite nice, but on the whole rather boring. Myself, I am quiet. Especially at eight o'clock in the morning - plus car rides make me sleepy. So I'm not usually to up to shooting the breeze. K., on the other hand, seems to be one of those kinds of people who have to fill silences. Unfortunately though, she usually has nothing of note to fill it with - this does not deter her.

The upshot, however, is that I am becoming quite adapt at knowing when to say "Yeah" and "Sure," and nod my head at the appropriate times without actually knowing what is being said - if you might meet me you may wonder if I am ever actually listening to you. So anyway, I'm usually not listening with rapt attention.

Sometimes I'll ask her questions, like inconspicuously and tactfully finding out why she doesn't celebrate Halloween. And then, the morning after Halloween, on the way to school, she remarked to me how she had been charged by her mom to be on the look-out for some pumpkins, preferably, she joked, ones that weren't smashed.

And Why? your humble narrator ventured, was she on the look-out for pumpkins? Various reasons, all seeming to me to be absurd or at the least socially questionable, came to me.

"My mom wants them," was the response, "for baking."

All right. I don't know if you're as perplexed as I was (bearing in mind that I was locked in a speeding car with her), but I found this answer to be, well, odd. I would, however, remain tactful and polite. She was still, after all, my no-bloody-way-am-I-getting-up-at-6:00am-to-ride-to-school ride to school.

She continued about her mom's baking and pumpkins. Okay, so her family doesn't celebrate Halloween so natch they won't have leftover Jack-o-lanterns.

"Why not," I asked, "just go buy one?"

"They're expensive!" she said.

Twelve cents a kilogram (or pound, I don't remember)? Sure, pumpkins are heavy, so that price can escalate pretty quickly, but not to the point where one would consider it a financial detriment to purchase even one, right? Gluten-free bread in the Bay's health store, that's expensive, at seven dollars for a loaf the size of a videocassette. But pumpkins?

Well, I wasn't going to press the issue. I would just accept the fact that she decided to make some small talk, and the topic just happened to be the fact that she might be pulling over to the side of road at some point to pluck some retired jack-o-lantern off someone's yard and toss it in the car. I suppose, then, that it was for the better that she forewarned me.

Truth be told, though, that it was taking a pumpkin off of someone's yard that she joked about, that it would appear odd and silly: she had no reservations about taking them out of someone's garbage. Apparently, this has happened in the past. Again, I would leave it be, and not jeopardize my transportation or, possibly, personal security. That, I thought, is the end of that.

The next morning, two days after Halloween (this morning, in fact, at the time of this writing), some small talk resumes:

"How are you?" she asked.

"Pretty good."

"That's good. So my dad found two pumpkins yesterday."

Oh no.

I decided to say nothing. K. was more than willing than to talk of her own volition.

"Yeah, two big ones. He found them at the bottom of the garbage bin - there are thirty-nine townhouses in our complex and all their garbage goes into that bin so they were pretty hard to get at!"

(Now I know what you're thinking: I must be making this up. But I assure you, dear readers, that as this happened to your humble narrator just this very morn the experience is still quite fresh in his mind, etched in like a newly-carved jack-o-lantern: these words herein are near verbatim.)

It occurred to me then to ask her "Why didn't you just ask a neighbour for their pumpkins? If they were just going to throw them out anyway you could have, uh, saved your dad some trouble." The question still burns within me, but I asked it not: how could I? I felt as if in a dream - or watching a show on TLC: just too bizarre to turn off.

She continued: "He stepped in one, then hooked his foot in it, and finally flipped it out," she laughed. "But for the other one he had to bolt a piece of metal to a stick to pull it out. When he brought them in my mom asked him how long it took him to get them out [re: purchase question, neighbour question]! They were big pumpkins, she said they'd last for four years! We still have one from two years ago, frozen, we didn't get one last year."

Do the neighbours know? What do they think? Do they avoid? Condone? Assist? Imagine a full-grown man with elaborate homemade contraptions removing your discarded pumpkin from the bottom of the strata's Dumpster.

When she related the story to A., our other carpooling compatriot, A. asked her what they did with the pumpkins: the answer was "Freeze them." I don't know whether the question was asked in some attempt to deal with the story, or simple curiosity. Perhaps this is common practice for people whose names are a single letter?

K. continued that her mom would probably make some pumpkin bread: she would make something with the pumpkins anyway, as they were having company that night. To be clear, that wasn't an inference on my part: her mom would be making something with the pumpkins for the company that night. But how could I warn them?

Admittedly, though, not the entire pumpkins would be used, just the inside: the outside, the part that was actually in contact with the surrounding garbage in the garbage bin, would be discarded. Again.

But doesn't it strike you as odd? K. spoke about it with such ease and matter-of-fact-ness that I honestly began questioning my own social beliefs. Is it then I who is misguided? Does polite society remove pumpkins from others' lawns and garbages for their own culinary needs? Or are questions of social acceptability and food safety null in this case, or all cases, and if so, why? Am I just some kind of prude?

I went to the Rich Weirdo's presentation of The Rocky Horror Picture Show at the Vogue Theatre on Halloween night (the biggest Halloween show in North America this year) and had a blast - but this... this is like some kind of real-life In the Mouth of Madness, only not utterly boring.

Assuming I'm right, and she's weird, how would this practice have come into being, and with whom is it shared? I think my biggest concern is for their company: do they know where their pumpkin pie came from? Does it concern them? Do they not know, and K.'s mother, knowing that garbage-pumpkin, not being a common dish, would not be knowingly well-received, leave them to their ignorance? Or would she, not sharing my social ideals, relate to them the cute story of their pumpkins' salvage, with what would otherwise be hilarious consequences?

What kind of bizzaro world have I stepped into??
jesus rock [2001-11-04 22:43:56] casey
As much as I hate to make the (likely) first comment an off-topic one: where in Washington State do you live, Jonas? At a place of my previous employ, the station Spirit 105.3 was made to drone on all day. I'm curious as to why we didn't listen to Praise 106.5, and why I've never heard of this station. It mostly sounds pretty much the same to me anyway - the station had eight or nine songs in heavy rotation, and occasionally threw in a different song. That was in Bothell. Also, the commercials were mostly from the same five or so businesses, which leads me to believe a) they can't find advertisers for their crap low-wattage no-listener station, or b) only a select group of advertisers meet their stringent content requirements.
No, that is creepy as hell. [2001-11-04 22:46:30] Annna
We just used butternut squash. Pumpkins are grown more for decor, and have a bad meat:junk ratio. Butternut squash tastes the same, and it's really easy to grow, sorta like zucchini, except you actually want to eat it. We'd end up with a huge surplus yearly, but it kept really well.

Unless it's INCREDIBLY cold where you are, and even probably then, this is a horrible idea. I would not eat food that a stranger touched all over, cut up, burned a candle inside of, left outside for a week and then threw in the trash. If it were just a painted pumpkin, yeah, pulp it, but the more time between the "cutting up and putting outside" and the "stealing and eating" phase, the better.

And yes, squash is cheap, especially if they have trouble finishing one pumpkin between the whole family. If you only need that much, hell, they could even buy a can of pre-mashed pumpkin, or even pre-cooked pumpkin pie filling. These people are insane. Do not eat their food.
Pumpkin Seeds [2001-11-04 22:47:12] Jacques Kitsch
I saw one pumpkin this year that had gone moldy and collapsed before even making it to Halloween; it made me sad. But when carving pumpkins, my favorite thing is to get all of the seeds and put them on a cookie sheet to bake with a little oil and salt. Pumpkin pie is OK, I like it cold. But I cannot imagine anyone so desperate for the pumpkin that they go dumpster diving, it would seem that pumpkin vendors would have many left-over pumpkins. But Jonas! If you have not heard of Landover Baptist Church, check this out! It is more potent than garlic against werewolves is how much the Fundies like this! Ha!
It is funnier even than Jerry Lewis!
"Landover Baptist"


I don't know about the rest of you. [2001-11-04 23:13:54] staniel
But here in Jersey, pumpkin guts go in the garbage disposal. If you want pumpkin seeds they come in a bag, and if you want pumpkin pulp it comes in a can.
freezing [2001-11-04 23:20:16] noisia
i know some people who live in vancouver (which is where jonas lives, to answer the question posed as to his whereabouts (i think that's where he lives at any rate)) and they had a crow and a kitten in their freezer. maybe two crows. all i know is that the kitten went missing. they don't know how. one guess is that the same person who stole their dvd player stole the kitten from the freezer, thinking it was hidden valuables.
Responses [2001-11-04 23:37:51] Jonas
Yeah, I live in a suburb of Vancouver: as in Jersey, the pumpkin insides do go into the garbage, so I'm not entirely sure how much food they plan to make -- my initial reactions to the whole concept, however, distracted me from such fundamental premises such as: "I need a pumpkin wih no edible parts with which to make food!" Also on the topic of location, Praise 106.5 must originate in Bellingham or thereabouts given the concert listings: their tag says they service Bellingham, Seattle, and Vancouver, but I don't know if that last one is BC or WA. But then, allegorically speaking, were I to be skewered with a red-hot poker my primary concern would not be if it were made of steel or iron.

These people are insane: one thing I didn't mention was what if K. brings pumpkin food for the students in my program? Would it be not tactful to yell out: "DON'T EAT IT, IT CAME FROM A FILTHY DUMPSTER!!" I don't think even Ann Landers can help us now. Well, she could, but then someone would write her a letter the next week telling her how wrong she was and then she'd apologize profusely.

I've been advised to buy her a complete, clean pumpkin, but that would entail acknowledgment of the whole nutty situation, something my worldview just can't sustain. It must remain relegated to a crazy story.

My introductory and concluding paragraphs were chopped up!
Addendum [2001-11-04 23:45:20] Jonas
And concerning Annna's criteria for food she would not eat: if it met even just one of as opposed to all six of those criteria I would not eat it (restaurants aside, but that's only the first three).

"I understand that it came from the trash, but was there at any time a candle burning inside it? No? Excellent, load'er on. Hey, ya got anything that's been sitting out for a week or so?"
Strange Foods [2001-11-04 23:56:52] Jacques Kitsch
I know of no tactful way to resolve this problem, it may be that these people are ethically opposed to waste; supposedly at least 30% of the food is wasted, but as they say, do not buy the oats after they have been through the horse. I am not discouraged from picking out the pumpkin seeds, washing them and baking them. Among the Mexicans, the Pumpkin Seed is called a "pepita" and has a sexual connotation as well. But I remembered an Americaine Pioneer recipe for Green Pumpkin Pie that was in Laura Ingalls Wilder's "Little House on the Prairie" books serie, I think that the settlers sometimes had to harvest at unusual times instead of waiting for the Harvest Moon. Sometimes they even ate bugs!
Aww.... [2001-11-05 00:13:23] Annna
Sorry about your beginning and ending, but it's a mighty thin column on thingsihate, so just one of your insanely long sentences (note: this is high praise) becomes fatiguing on the eyes.

If there's one thing I know about editing, it's that people like paragraph breaks.

As for my food criteria, I was talking about jack-o-lanterns specifically, using the first three conditions to intensify the latter two.

If she brings in pumpkin products to school, maybe you could engage her in public conversation about the pumpkins' origins; since she doesn't seem to think it amiss, she might 'fess up in front of everyone. Or you could just tip off your friends and snicker while people ate it.
landfilling pie filling [2001-11-05 01:09:02] staniel
Fortunately they couldn't be jack-o-lanterns, at least, because they don't have any pulp left inside, right?

The part that bothered me the most was that her dad was willing to take the smashed ones and even smash them himself to hook them on his implement. THE SEAL IS BREACHED!
hunger for vittles I couldn't grow nor buy [2001-11-05 01:41:35] Annna
You don't eat the stringy, seedy, horribly brain-like pulp, silly! You throw that to the kids, who pick out the seeds for roasting.

No, what you do is you cut the meat into slices like a melon, skin them and steam them, then grind 'em up. At least, that's what we did. Probably you could get by without the steaming; I think that just made it easier. We would then put the resulting mush, measured into cups, in Ziploc Baggies in the freezer for later baking.
Huh. [2001-11-05 02:19:02] staniel
Guess I'm not domesticated yet.

I wonder if gourds are good eating.
Wait a second... [2001-11-05 02:43:25] Mr. Jim
(flip, flip, flip...)

Ah, here it is:

"Thou shalt not steal, neither shalt thou partake of the flesh of the pumpkin after it has rotted at the bottom of a dumpster; for it is an abomination in my sight."

Christians.
playing Jesus' advocate [2001-11-05 06:58:50] Lou Duchez
I don't know, K. sounds like a very pleasant, and therefore enjoyable person to be around. Perhaps she's boring like you say, but on the other hand, I've met too many interesting assholes in my day, and I've had my fill. When I meet someone in a good mood, and I'm not ardently trying to perform square roots in my head, I usually enjoy listening to them. Far better to cop some good mood off them than to fault them for their lack of entertainment skills.

And I will confess that this is my favorite time of the year, precisely because of the abundance of pumpkin pie -- my all-time favorite treat. So I have to respect anyone who will go to such lengths for pumpkin cookin'.

The best people are a little bit crazy, but in benign ways. That describes K. to a tee, perhaps? Her choice of radio stations may leave a lot to be desired, but nobody's perfect.

Now next time you see her, tell her that she always puts you in a good mood in the morning, and you appreciate it. That'll make her day. Hear?
pumpkin rodeo! [2001-11-05 07:46:15] Lou Duchez
Suddenly I have this desire to stage a pumpkin rodeo, where pumpkins (either whole or bejackolanterned) are placed in an arena, and you have to ride around on a minibike with a grappling hook in hand, and snare and drag the pumpkins for big points.

But then, I'm the sort of idiot who has been known to play rodeo in department store parking lots late at night, trying to corral the stray carts with my car.
I know, I know [2001-11-05 07:48:12] Jonas
It was pointed out to me that I caller her "boring" thrice throughout the article, and if she ever saw this (somehow) she'd probably be hurt. My defense is that, while the story is true, I've turned it into something meant to entertain others and so found it necessary to turn K. into a character. No slander intended! Just good wholesome fun.
Parking lot rodeo [2001-11-05 07:50:02] Jonas
I've done that, but rather than corralling them it's ultimately more fun to push them with the car as fast as possible (40-60 km/h) then send them hurtling across the lot into a curb.

Did I mention I live in a suburb?
why playing "corral" is more fun ... [2001-11-05 07:55:35] Lou Duchez
... because, if I get caught, I can honestly say: "But officer, I was just trying to put the carts back where they belong!" Imagine the hilarity as the officer tries to figure out if I'm actually breaking any laws. The body cavity search alone would be worth it.
? [2001-11-05 19:16:17] staniel
"Nope, no carts up here."

If I were in Jonas's place, I would spend more time around K. I doubt this is the only amazing thing lurking beneath her whitebread facade.
the official K. fan club [2001-11-05 19:52:43] Lou Duchez
Definitely agreed -- K. probably isn't boring, so much as careful to not embarrass herself. There's a subtle difference, the key being, K. probably has a lot to offer once she comes to understand that you appreciate her quirks.

Myself, I bet I'd enjoy talking to her just about pumpkins. Like, if one had only $30 and had to build a pumpkin retrieval utility belt, what would she recommend? Then I'd show up the next day with my belt and maybe some photos of me trying to wrangle gourds. And just for fun, I'd test my weaponry on a variety of kitchen products, including bread, tomatoes, V-8, and perhaps even a can of pumpkin pie filling.

From there I'd discuss the logistics of pumpkin-launching apparati -- and you'd better believe that K. would warm to the idea sooner than later. After having to gather pumpkins year after year, K. probably harbors at least a smidge of resentment against them.

Oh yassss, I think there's potential in K. just waiting to be tapped. Just don't ever show her this Web page ...
Okay, okay, I'm a horrible person [2001-11-05 23:23:52] Jonas
Alright, K. has a degree in International Something-or-other, has fought off cancer more than once, and worked in a library in the Phillipines notably last summer during a time of violent political instability -- she is interesting, and thoroughly quirky and wonderful, but for the purposes of the brief story her character would not be.

"It is the prerogative of writers to tell stories; everyone else must tell the truth."

It's thingsihate, not thingsigushover -- were it the latter, though, I'd submit a review of Monsters, Inc.
And wait a minute -- [2001-11-05 23:26:06] Jonas
"careful not to embarrass herself"? This from the guy who posts pics of himself in a masking tape-Superman shirt and admits to corralling shopping carts with his car!

I do love that shirt.
The missing sentence there was: [2001-11-05 23:31:52] Jonas
...herself"? You don't get much more uncareful than twice talking about etc etc. But then, this from the guy...
Braid [2001-11-06 01:30:37] Jacques Kitsch
Since K. has this massive braid, ask if she can hang from her braid and find a bedroom with a ceiling fan.
I have no shame [2001-11-06 04:22:04] Lou Duchez
My family's Easter bonnet competition was pretty sad too.

Sort of unrelatedly: why do people persist in the notion that masking tape can be used to hold stuff together? From the name, I assume its actual purpose is for putting on parts of the wall that you don't want to get paint on -- which would explain why it is so easy to remove. But why pretend that masking tape is useful for anything else?
Uh, Lou? [2001-11-06 18:42:59] staniel
Why does your brother-in-law bear a family resemblance to you? Is something suspect going on here, or is it just a case of Milhouseitis?

Also, is that a Habitrail? With a live critter in it?
Sister picture [2001-11-06 21:03:30] Sean
I always try and include a dog's ass in pictures of me, too. How bad can I look if I'm right next to a dog's ass?
spooky genetics [2001-11-07 01:26:31] Lou Duchez
People are baffled at my similarities to my brother-in-law (they got married, I guess he's no longer just a fiance). More disturbing are the similarities in our personalities and senses of humor -- such as our mutual interest in putting together the world's worst cartoon, which of course would be "The New Adventures of William Shakespeare" (in which, by night, Shakespeare is a secret agent for the queen).

But fear not, citizen. I would not put live critters in an Easter bonnet; those were just cat toys. I will add that things almost turned disastrous, as my sister has two energetic cats who detected catnip emanating from my general head region ... no photos, though.
Rambo Rabbit [2001-11-07 02:02:02] Jacques Kitsch

"Rabbit"
pumpkins [2003-11-01 14:37:00] Sheri
Tell your Mom that I've gotten 2 pumpkins and 1 squash from my neighbor.. I've been looking online for pictures of pumpkins and squash..to find out what to do with a green squaty looking thing I found. I can't find a picture to tell me if I cook it like a pumpkin but no all is lost I found someone like me..lol Sounds like she's got a good son too.
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