By: staniel [2002-02-04]

Time Cube Debate

caution: long

educated retarded, too stupid to set date on camera

Wednesday, January 30th, 2002 was the date of MIT's Time Cube debate. A few friends and I planned a drive up to Boston, despite the naying of a certain naysayer.

staniel: Things I have to do tomorrow:
Call MIT about Time Cube
TEDA: plz do
staniel: I will advise them that I am a member of the online press.
TEDA: THEYLL LAUGH LIKE THE GUY WHO TRIED GETTING INTO E3 AS PRESS BECAUSE HE HAS AN E/N SITE
staniel: I WILL SNEAK UNDER THE FENCE
TEDA: PUT ON A HANDLEBAR MOUSTACHE
staniel: no, a twisty villain one
TEDA: ITS THE SAME THING YOU DUMB DAGO

I emailed one Rhett Creighton, who was to be the ringmaster of the event in question, and he said if there was room it should be no problem. In fact MIT was incredibly easy to sneak into, and I would go to lectures there all the time if I wanted to learn how to build Beowulf clusters, but let's hope I never sink that low. I found Boston and MIT to both be very clean and full of nice architecture, so my friends and I wandered about for a bit and killed some time, suspecting every grey-haired man of being Gene Ray.

We were wrong about every single one of them, for after we had taken seats in the auditorium and about twenty minutes before the debate started, I saw Gene Ray onstage. He was easily identified due to his Time Cube hat and shirt, which he later told me had cost him $50 since he only had one made of each (a larger order of them is planned for sale on the website) and a globe in a clear plastic cube, which he wore as a pendant. We had all expected a character more in line with the website - someone visibly upset and not entirely coherent, possibly wearing a lab coat or wizard's hat - but all the shouting and idiocy was to come from the MIT students.

The debate panel consisted of students from Johns Hopkins, MIT, and one who was supposedly from Harvard. I think the Harvard guy was actually an MIT student or alumnus dressed clownishly (safari hat) and acting like a jackass to poke fun at the frat boys down the street from them. The Johns Hopkins representative, Chris Said, and the two MIT guys, Eric Downes and Victor Brar, all tried to ask good questions and treat Mr. Ray decently, and the the jolly, bearded, small, and entirely hobbit-like Creighton did his best to keep the crowd in line. Downes actually carried the Harvard kid offstage during an outburst and told him to behave.

The problem with Time Cube is that it's a fairly simple principle and our hero Gene gets bogged down in his explanation of it. The principle is essentially that between any two polar opposites, there are two midpoints. Use an (incorrect and evil) clock face as an example. If 9 and 3 are polar opposites, then 12 is halfway between them coming from 3 to 9, and 6 is halfway between coming from 9 to 3. This explanation is not much less awkward than those Gene uses, involving the four "primary races" or the Clintons, Socrates, Einstein, and Jesus, but hopefully it will assist somewhat in understanding. Gene would seem to believe in reincarnation. His talk of the importance of the village and his insistence that self is one corner is a demonstration of how people naturally live in a cubic manner, but when civilizations are built, things go haywire. Essentially, if you divide people into four groups - baby, child, parent, grandparent - and let me state that these terms describe each's relationship to the others, and is not a statement that you can't be a great-grandparent or whatever - then put them together in a village, you have a group consisting of selves at each of the four stages of human life, as they progress toward and then from nonexistence, or at least death and a disincarnate state. The self can only occupy one corner at a time, but if people live as villages, the village can occupy all four. Simple village life does tend to function more smoothly, with better defined roles for everyone. Babies are everyone's responsibility, children care for the babies and are responsible to their parents and grandparents, parents care for children and babies, and are responsible to grandparents, who are tribal elders and leaders of families, and who in many capacities care for their abovementioned descendants.

Time Cube is like Lawsonomy or logic (as in the mathematical logic you'd take as an early college or AP high school class, with Venn diagrams and such). It functions according to an internal set of rules, but is difficult to explain to people who are used to living according to another set of rules, like those of modern science or creationism. It explains a few things other systems of thought can't explain, and it can't explain a few things other systems of thought can. It's been suggested that mankind return to a village-like social structure, and whether that can be accomplished without a technological backslide remains to be seen. But I like Time Cube better than logic or Lawsonomy (and I like Lawsonomy pretty well) because its creator is a genial man with a sense of humor (his jokes were much better than the wisecracks veiled as questions and the stupid innuendos the students in the audience launched at him) and he really does mean well.

A few choice quotes:
"I'm fourth generation and I'm on my last corner."
"Well, I'm not human." (when asked how he could understand Time Cube, but he states that no human can on his webpage)
"If you cross a North American and a North American, you get a North American. South American and South American doesn't equal a North American." (when asked why -1 x -1 does not = +1. When asked what it should equal, he exclaimed "A South American!")

Further trivia: Gene Ray used to be an electrician and has patented 10 inventions.

Anyone who's wanted a Time Cube book, as I have, will be glad to know that it's pretty much finished and has only been put on hold so the debate could be included in it.
Beowulf clusters [2002-02-04 00:19:08] Lou Duchez
Sounds like a high-fiber breakfast cereal, designed to banish the Grendel of constipation from the Heorot that is your bowels.

Sounds like this Gene Ray feller has some ideas but isn't sure what to make of them. Would I be overstating some of his four-corner thinking here? I'm supposing that, if something is an absolute on one axis, then it can't register except as a midpoint on another axis (because if it had any particular quality in that other axis, it would cease to be an absolute on the first). Take that principle, apply it to two orthogonal axes, and you get a time cube. What the hell did I just say?
Tesla [2002-02-04 00:21:33] Jacques Kitsch
I think that Tesla had about 130 patents. but if Gene Ray is patenting useful stuff, he's probably not a total fruitloop, maybe just kind of like Dr. Bronner the soap philosopher. When I look at really old philosophy and physics, it makes me think that we are still primitive, but a little beyond the four humours and the four elements (they used to think that fire was an element). Willy Ley, the German rocket scientist, wrote a book of random perambulations, one of which was describing how the Greek word for amber is electron, and that the Greeks marveled at static electricity when they rubbed amber with rabbit fur. There is an electronics factory in Boston that has a chocolate factory in the neighborhood, and everything there smells like chocolate. A friend of mine, his brother is the architect who designed the Boston Government Center building, that four-block brick thing. But that Beowolf cluster thing is cool, I want to get some time on a Compaq Renderwall for graphics animations, it's got 1,200 processors, I think.
patiently awaiting visual accompanyment [2002-02-04 00:27:21] noisia
that is all
Doctor [2002-02-04 00:28:09] casey
Gene Ray is great and whatnot, but I feel strongly that Alex Chiu is the one true messiah.
Smack the Nominalist [2002-02-04 10:18:50] Jacques Kitsch
I suppose it's convenient to have a four-square approach. The classic Confucians have five formalized relationships that cover all social situations. Some say there are 7-seven years cycles in a life. Not all predictions materialize. Evolution goes on, stasis is impossible. Ray's semantic nomenclature is a Dog Balls meme. "Purple Monkeys"
[2002-02-04 23:21:50] Morgan
Actually, Alex Chiu has a disclaimer on his site saying:

ALEX CHIU IS NOT THE MESSIAH! This leaves the position open for you!
I'll take the job! [2002-02-05 00:15:53] Jacques Kitsch
Simple, self-replicating proteins can be generated by applying microcurrent to carbon, methane, and water. These rudimentary self-replicating proteins are found in comet tails. Also, a cubic mile of "empty space" contains about a teaspoon of dust, proteins there. too. So, the seeds of life are everywhere. The first step on the ladder from crude matter to Buddha's bellybutton is an easy one. But I think that Mr. Chiu is right in declining Messiah; that might put you in a different tax bracket.
speaking of Time Cubes ... [2002-02-05 05:34:10] Lou Duchez
... where's Annna? We haven't heard from her in a bit.
Gypsies [2002-02-05 07:15:26] Jacques Kitsch
I think that she ran off with the Ukulele Gypsies--
[2002-02-05 08:32:09] alptraum
just checked out his website...

"Anyone saying that Jesus
and his Jewish father had
something to do with my
birth, is a damn evil liar."

was this tantalizing aspect of the philosophy discussed at the lecture? i would think he'd like jews -- after all, what's a dreidel if not a time cube?
eh well... [2002-02-05 12:17:15] Caius
We would have more visual accompaniment if SOMEBODY didn't convince me not to get my camera because he had "brought his", and then realize that OOPS I ONLY HAVE ONE PICTURE LEFT! Should I buy some film? Of course not. We're in Boston. They don't sell film in Boston. In fact, we could be arrested SIMPLY FOR HAVING FILM IN MY CAMERA RIGHT NOW

But I'm scanning the (signed!!!!) flyer I got and also the pedant MIT jackasses' attempt at humour in the form of a handout about something called the "ColoRCube" which was this cube that they actually built with a bunch of gay colours on each little cube within it. Of course they did not get the $1,000 for disproving it because it didn't prove anything other than that people who go to MIT are fucking retards, end of story
Chiubacca [2002-02-05 18:12:45] casey
Old Alex is just modest. He really is the messiah. He is twice the man Jesus ever was.
And... [2002-02-05 20:49:03] Jacques Kitsch
more woman than you'll ever get!
Ouch [2002-02-05 21:12:59] casey
THAT was oh so true unwarranted slander! I am hurt, deeply.
Only Kidding [2002-02-05 21:16:12] Jacques Kitsch
I'm just mocking the phrase that I've heard; sorry for the cheap shot at your expense. As for the Messiah business, I'd like to learn the water into wine trick.
plato ohno [2002-02-09 21:38:38] jmfields
this village concept sounds suspiciously like the life of the guardians in plato's republic.. i wonder if ron howard is going to make a movie of ray's life.. he seems to love the schizos..
Ridiculous [2003-06-04 23:34:00] Adam Joseph
None of Ray's arguments are valid or deductive. Ray is a bumbling idiot. he is stubborn, and he calls people who want to logicalky disprove him non believers and convinces his followers to hate them. You could say that there are 4 sun rises, sunsets, etc. IF i split the earth into four parts. what if i split it into 9 or 57 or 36746? The teory is invalid. The man has proclaimed himself the wisest man to have ever existed. that is pretty arrogant. The wisest men in our time, such as socrates concluded that they were just as unintelligent as anyone else. I don't know what thefuck the electrician crap has to do with it, but as far as patents go, my dad was able to patent potential energy when he was in high school. Means nothing. gene puts together some vague and just inexplicable quotes together to convince you how dumb you are and scatters them everywhere without explication whatsoever. This clock example, you fail to realize the infinite midpoints you can attribute to it, given the midpoint is on an arc of a circle. the 12 and 6 are the only ones actually shown on the 2nd dimension of the clock. Just because many of our common terms are based off of cuboidal geometry, doesn't prove a damn thing about your science or your dogma. I'm Not convinced and i certainly am not impressed.
Easily disproved... [2004-01-06 12:14:00] Kathryn Grover
Take a peek at a planet called Uranus. It rolls around the sun, rotating on its side. Does this mean that parts of it are perpetually stuck in "midday", "sunrise", "sunset", and "midnight"?

While interesting, this sounds like something that a greek philosopher would come up with rather than a scientist. I guess I'm just an evil, educated fool. :P (BTW, his attitude toward his disbelievers doesn't help prove his case any......)
time cube [2004-02-04 20:43:00] m88m
a cube has 6 sides and 8 corners not 4 sides and 4 corners.
can i have my 10000 dollars now.
time cube & @#$% [2006-04-06 23:32:19] uneducated kid
I think these ideas could be better explained if detail wasn't diverted to profanity and sneaking into MIT...or attempted to be explained at all. "Time Square" seems more fitting since an object with 4 sides and four corners is described. Now what's with this timecube.com site? Telling someone they are stupid and evil proves nothing...except that your are evil...and stupid.
time cube [2008-02-05 20:57:36] beatusqui
Well, it does say in the book of revelations that the four angels stood at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds. So maybe there is sonething in this time cube theory.
Genius Ray [2008-02-06 10:29:59] imelda
Gene Ray is a ray of genius. I calculated his numbers and people with these numbers are light years ahead of everyone else. They are unorthodox and break new ground, just other people are too dumb to understand. Also, this idea of 2 minor and 2 majors fits in with the old diatonic musical scale , where also there are 2 majors and 2 minors.
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