Alpha Delta Pi Tip

You're all fucked. Fucked right up.

What is it with you and your wierds cliques in America?
What is it with you and your hierachical structures of human beings?
What is it with you and your need to worship.
What is it with you and your need to raise someone to demi god status only to make yourself seem smaller by comparison, but because you whore-ship them you are have some of their own greatness reflected on you to make your miserable life worth living, when that same relected glory is the glory you originally used to create the one you worship showing that you are only wor-shipping your own self repression which you are inflicting upon yourself?
What is it with you?

What is it with every secret society having the same damn handshake?

I think that the paddles and the beer make it all worthwhile. And pig night.

Hey, you can find the weirdest stuff in the Windows saved cache files. The subject of this post in fact. Also, my secret societies hand shake is pissing in someone's ear.

Yeah, if someone pisses in our ears, we cut their ear off, piss in it, then hand it back to them and say, "Next time you want to piss in someone's ear, piss in this one!"

Is that some kind of Michealangelo whorshiping cult?

Good time to be anonymous, dope

I'm pretty sure that Michealangelo was a whorshipping earpisser from the days of laying on his back and painting on the ceiling. I know you are probably thinking of Vincento van Gouf, who himself was also a whorshipping earpisser; not the first, but one of the famous in a long line of many.

VVG was an earmisser.

Well, sometimes even I miss the actual ear itself due to premature urination.

If someone was to piss in your ear, you could be pissed off and pissed on at the same time. And depending on their accuracy targeting the ear canal, you could also be pissed in.

It is pretty odd (the fraternity). but i guess people just want to belong. Also people just want a way to justify the feeling, deep in their bones, that they're innately superior.

A lot of yanks we get down under wear their fraternity t-shirts. And they all seem to be wankers. (no offense, mes freres)
The sheilas are friendly, but their skin glows this funny orange colour - like they've been eating too much pumpkin.
That's all.

They are orange because they drink their own urine.

That was a good plan that the Brits had to send their criminals and debtors to Austrailia, great gene pool you got there. Also, Foster's Beer stinks!

Foster's: Australian for "Piss".

But i did skip spelling artists names class.

He was never keeping it real enough to chop off his ear but the pope would send back the ears of men he captured just so Mike could piss through them, I expect the Pope was a member too, maybe he pissed through the ears first.

I guees that you've all been inducted into my secret society...

I can't believe they posted that story. Well, I guees you guys know why I have so much free time now.

Write another one. Either something that happened or made-up. That style had sort of a funny delivery rhythm, so that style is ok, or use another style if it fits better with a different story. Yeah, write another one.

And draw my next cartoon, too!

polish my door knob!

The story ends with her breaking up with me one month later to go gay...

Anyway, the comic idea sounds fun.

...she became a libyan?

who went gay? the geek or the ho?

Well, I said "a month later" so I hoped that you could draw the conclusion that I didn't keep the prostitute for a month (which would have cost a fortune at 20 dollars an hour...) To think, if she had hooked up with the prostitute, I could have been on Jerry Springer or something.

antwan and h. biscuit -- do you two realize you are crushing funny through your combined force of boring?

though i realize you are all cynics who hate us greeks, i'm posting anyway--
to the person who started this:
thank you for degrading our organization. the only thing we have to regret in 152 years of existence is letting someone like you in, who doesn't understand the sacristy of this. it may not seem like much to you, but we actually care.

I would just like to say that you can spread whatever rumors you would like about Alpha Delta Pi sorority. Even if you do reveal all of the secret of the sisterhood, the true meaning, feeling, commitment, and bond behind those secrets can never truely be revealed or explained. I recognize that you may not understand the idea behind a sorority, but I think it is really narrow-minded to have spread the information across the internet. Alpha Delta Pi has been in exisitence for over 150 years, and we can withstand your rumors and gossiping.

X-adpi with a bad memory. Not even close Hun.

But it's still fucked up. I had insane issues with the sorority myself. It is absolutely NOT for me, and I'm a bit ashamed that I took part in the haloolinanigans for almost two full years before seeing its true nature in all of its full glory. HOWEVER, I learned my lesson and dropped it, along with any rewardless responsibility that I had chosen to take upon myself. That is ALL that is required if it does not work for you. Get your ass up and walk away.
This is bullshit. What are you trying to accomplish?
You are a small child taking your own stagnant emotional shit and seeing how far you can fling it at other people. Go hide under the covers of your bed where you can always feel protected and secure.

I will NEVER understand why college students (my peers) feel the need to pay for their friends. It only shows any friends that you might have outside your sororities and fraternities that they are not good enough to meet your needs for friendship. A certain amount of abandonship goes into this whole pledging/greek thing. Hazing is more common than most want to admit and that's sad, also maybe some of the accounts here are too accurate so you have say they are false to protect your sacred secret society, so you can continue to discriminate against those who chose a different life path than ADPi or can't afford to pay for friends. Next time, you're out with your sisters havin a jolly time, think about the independent women who would love to be able ot pay for their friends and not be rejected because they don't wear greek letters - and the loneliness that they are forced to endure because of these secret, discriminatory clubs. Other extra-curriculars are forced to be equal in opportunity and we're taught about tolerance and acceptance of religion, gender, and race, but socioeconomic status goes out the window and the discrimination continues unscathed with these organizations charging up to 500 dollars a year for dues.

I have been a part of ADPi for years now, and sadly I have seen this happen to Chi O's and Phi Mu's a few times. However, I never in a million years would have thought that someone would (for the most part incorrectly) post parts of our ritual, but I guess that ignorance and immaturity can cross any boundary. I hope that this girl understands now why she is no longer a member of our sisterhood, and if she doesn't, then that just proves my point that she was too immature to handle this kind of committment in the first place.
To The Original Author:
I must also say that in my experience as a Greek and even before I was Greek, people tend to show disdane for things from which they have been rejected. Being told that you are not the kind of person that should be allowed to wear the symbols of an organization usually shows that you never had what it takes in your heart to begin with. It takes a strong person to be be told that and walk away with your pride and your dignity. It sucks to know that you aren't as classy or well-liked as you thought, huh?

All your shits wrong you dumb bitch. Huh ever wonder why you are not a member anymore? Maybe because you are a dirty slut whore bag!!! Not only can you not be trusted but obvioulsy you would have made a shitty sister (hint why you aren't one now) you couln't even remember ritual...

hey i am an inactive adpi and even though the girls from my chapter have done some bad things, just like every other college person around, i would never dream of telling the world about something that they hold sacred...it seems you have no respect for yourself or others...i dont know what happened to you or what made you so bitter, but you should seriously think about something...it probably wasnt too long ago that you sat in that ritual and actually cared about it...quit being such a hypocrite

You are a bitch.

You joined this sorority knowing that all rituals we learned were to be kept in secret! How dare you tell people what our initiation ritual is! It may not be much but it's still something special and sacred! You made an oath to keep everything confidentional and you broke it! I don't care if you have the bad end of the deal, an oath is still an oath!

I would like to know the identity of the girl you recived this tip from, and what chapter she was supposedly in. Because, if you're going to try and expose people, you should at least have your facts right. that is NOT our secret handshake, but you can just go right ahead and think that. Also, other facts stated are wrong. It is obvious why this girl is an ex-ADPi. She has no life. A real ADPi wouldn't try to be such a drama starting BITCH!

Hi-
I am a member of Alpha Delta Pi, and as creative as that little article is. I hate to break it to you but I've never heard of any of that. If everyone wants to pretend they know our secrets however that is cool.

hahah thats hilarious! You obviuoslly are full of shit, because I am an ADpi and that is creative, let me tell you, but definitely not even close to how we are initiated and our secrets. but good try, really.

To those of you who spoke negatively towards ADPI...I HATE YOU...DIE!!!

It's amazing how much attention this website has gotten after national ADPi officers made a big deal about it on a Greek website. If they would have ignored it now one woould have seen it.
And Will, I agree with you about the 5 + 6 = 11 thing, although I think Milanos are better than oreos.

I think its very disrespectful that you would go thru something as sacred as a sorority initiation and then go blab it all over the internet. Don't you have anything else better to do w/ your time? Do you remember the vow you took that day w/ your hand on the Bible?

You have no life, but a great imagination! Why dont you take your focus off adpi, the best sorority, and put it to good use, such as community service or a needed bible study! Halla

I know that we have an esoteric bond. But attacking the girls who posted this doesn't show what we are about. I don't know why these girls would go all the way through initiation and then get so jaded, but there's no reason for us to attack them. Take the high road, and don't encourage through discouragement.

love and loyally.

Gotta tell you, Most of what is written about the Ritual is accurate. Not just here, but other sites. I will let you do the research, and I will not post what I have. I have many sources, including ADPi current and former members. I was even privy to private conversations from ADPi members regarding this very article on this site. This conversation mentioned this site by name, and asked for ADPi members not to post here and try to play off the ritual as not true, that it is making it worse. The conversation went on to say that indeed "details of the ritual" were posted, and to let it go. I am sort of a defacto expert on the ADPi ritual. I even know how they dress during the ritual. I am not out to expose the ritual, or cause any strife, it just all started with an ADPi pal saying "I would never find out what the ritual was". I took it as a challenge. I dont blame ADPi members for getting upset, and trying to downplpay the article. I suppose if I wanted to protect something, I would defend it to. The part I guess I dont understand, is how far ADPi was willing to go to protect it. It almost seemed certain memebers were willing to break rules, tarnish reputations, and go way beyond the norms. Bad behavior from either side makes it worse. To all ADPi, its not the end of the world if some know of your ritual. You have your sisterhood. Heck, I know what goes on in the ritual, but would never have an understanding of the siterhood.

Like I said, there went another "The ritual posted is not true" post. Much of what is in the article is true. Trust me, I have good inside info, and much of it matches the story posted. I had this info WAY before this article was posted. Problem with the article, is how vauge it is. If I were to post EVERYTHIG, trust me, there would be a million ADPi saying "its not true, get a clue".

I was raped and dropped into a coffin! Oh, the humanity!

Kristen for that I am sorry. Very disturbing to say the least.

BITCH!! that is not our ritual you lying fucking whore. go sisterhood and to all those ladies in Beta Chi-- remember to attend your bible studies and pray for disloyal girls.

So they know our ritual. Big deal. We are the first and the finest and we will not let someone unloyal take away our pride. Its going to take a lot more than those rumers to stop our sisterhood.

Holy shit, this article has had snarky comments added to it every week for the past 10 months. What the fuck is wrong with you people? Seriously. Go sisters, beat down those fucking cunts for sisterhood. Don't let me stop you, I mean it's hysterical, but still... Jesus Fucking Christ.

Jack, you crack me up. You complain about an old topic that keeps getting responded to, and you respond to it LOL. DOH!

If anyone is paying attention, the Leslie Curran post about what ADPi stand for, and the story of a reporter who talked about the ritual, have been removed. HMMMMM. Disturbing to say the least. What pressure did ADPi put on this website?. Very interesting. Thank god for me, I copied, and screen shot everything, so nice try.

I can't remember what it stands for and it's not in my cache.

thanks!

Theta Chi means "helping hand"

This girl is just looking for some attention obviously! If she had of been listening in Ritual, then maybe she wouldnt be an ex ADPI. That is not what it is at all. I am also an ex ADPI not by choice, but Alpha Delta Pi's Ritual is beautiful and held sacred by all ADPi's....old and new. First off ADPI's can not drink out of SHOT glass, so thats dumb to begin with. Second off, ADPI's dont have BIG SISTERS....they have DIAMOND sisters. Get it right girl, I mean didnt you say you were and ADPI once? Even if I am not in the chapter anymore, I still hold the ritual to heart, and it is ridculous to think that our ritual is that juvenile. It is much more meaningful and sacred. You can not explain ritual of Alpha Delta Pi in just a few paragraphs. So if you want to know what ADPI is all about ask a sister....not an ex memeber that is apparently trying to make something so wonderful look bad. Get you head out of your ass girl!!!!!!!

While the Alpha Delta Pi Ritual doesn't use "shot glasses", it does call for "communion glasses" and yes, the act is akin to taking a "shot" of water.

Ah, the future of civilization is right here my friends, in the Greek houses full of rich jerks with secret handshakes and inane rituals.

At least the Freemasons seemed to be doing a good job with the world--OR SO YOU THINK.

This whole thing of people calling themselves "Greeks". They even capitalize it. Like you and your little girl club have anything to do to Greece or Grecian culture. It underlines just how "made up" these organizations are.

Fisrt off, by posting something sacred held to someone's heart/beliefs is just wrong. That is all I will say about that.I am in a sorority. And it is more than just buying friends. In all honestly, the girls I am close to would have been my close friends even if I hadn't joined. And the other girls are just friends.However, I know that even though I am not close to the other girls, they would do anything for me. A sorority is more than just buying friends, I originally thought that is the case. A sorority is something that can't be explained in words. There are so many facets to it. All people that hate sororities are just ignorant to what they are because they don't care about them. Why would they look into what they are? I don't give a second thought to things I don't care about. I come from a college where The Greek Community is much much different than other schools. The whole structure is completely different. We don't have frat or sorority houses, so maybe that is why there isn't as much bs. We are students(just like everyone else in college), and We don't think that we are better than anyone, I have some really good friends in other sororities(something unheard of at other schools),and we definitley do more community service than throwing parties. Half of my close friends don't even belong to a sorority. They don't like them, but they respect my decision to be in one and I respect how they feel about them. I am in a sorority because I belive in what it stands for, I believe in its philanthropy, I believe in scholarship, I believe that the girls in it are wonderful, I believe that the expereinces and memories I have with it can't be replaced. And no one can challenge what I believe in. I would be willing to pay over a million dollars for dues and not just 280 a semester. Think about what you do with 280 dollars. And yes I pay for my dues, my parents don't. Not everyone in a frat/sorority was fed with a silver spoon, I know I sure as hell wasn't. Also, I know that a lot of sororites out there are full of debauchery. And some girls just join so they can party and meet guys. But please don't think we are all like that. You have to look(really look) at each sorority and chapter because you would be surprised at what you might find. If you aren't willing to do at least that then you have no basis to bad mouth them. I know that by joining a sorority I opened myself to many more judgements and ridicule that I normally wouldn't undergo. It just bothers me to think that some people's views on Sororities are so narrow and close minded. And if you are wondering why I didn't say which sorority I am in it is because we were asked not to post by our national office...you can come to any conclusions you want about what sorority I might be in.

Why are so many people hell bent on lambasting greek orgaizations? What did we ever do to you? in college I was the ultimate oxymoron I was a sorority girl and a theater major. Know what I found out? the girls in my major who were INDEPENDENT were more snotty and pretentions than the greek girls I knew even the ones in other org's. Sorority life is not for everyone but why critsize people because they do things diffrently than you, I could speculate on your personalty disorders for criticizing my way of life just as eaisly as you speculate on mine for "joining up". I personally could give a rats a** if you're in my sorority or not if you're going to be my friend and i'm sure most of the other girls in greek letter orgaizations feel simialry. Going on a personal hate crusade against one or all greek letter orgaizations only makes you look bad not the group or groups. As for posting a groups ritual, I don't think thats right it hurts the members of the org and really, why does anyone else care? why are you so keen to revive deleted posts about stuff that dosen't even concern you? you know a secret handshake big deal where is it going to get you? if you actually tried to front as a member the orgaization problably has detailed membership records and would find you out ritual or no and if you really wanted to be a member that bad why not rush like everyone else? or alot of orgs initate alumnae now I mean come on. What is it that compells you to say hurtful things about greeks when really were just like you? We're people too if you prick us do we not bleed? everyone affiliated or not has problably participated in some sort of "high school bullshit" at some point in their lives. In fact by choosing dissaffilation and dismissing everyone in letters a an elite separatist you are in fact, participating in you own brand of separatism. And as far as Buying friends lots of clubs and groups have dues to keep the organization operating why should sororitys be any different? Our dues pay for our social functions, t-shirts, fees to national, and gasp! our philanthropy. Alot of groups have a house as well which is a HUGE expense. I just don't understand why people nit pick us so much, I mean geez if we joined these orgaizations to gain acceptance then we made a mistake because 20% of a given university population accepts us and the other 80% hates us that dosen't seem right. If acceptance was my goal then I should have stayed unaffiliated then everyone would have at least given me a shot right? But I digress, I implore everyone who is thinking about adding another greek bashing post to this article to remember just because something isn't your thing dosen't mean you have to say hurtful things about those who enjoy it. And to the girls who keep posting in "defense" of their orgaization if you don't have anything nice to say don't say it at all you are not doing ADPi or the greek community as a whole any favors

ADPI GIRLS: STOP POSTING!!!!!

I'm an ADPi from Longwood. I just graduated after spending 3 years in the organization. I have realized that "sisterhood" isn't all that it's cracked up to be, and to be honest, I had more poor experiences than good ones. As a member of 3 years, I can tell the world that the sisters who are trying to say this is entirely fake are liars. It is true that some of this is a little off, but for the most part, this is our ritual. Have fun spreading the word and trying to get into chapter rooms.

I graduated college six years ago. While I really enjoyed being an ADPi, I'm not going to get hysterical because someone posts the handshake or parts of the ritual. After you graduate and get out into the real world, you will learn that there are a lot worse things that can happen to you. Save your energy -- get worked up over something that really matters.

By the way, she was pretty accurate.

I do not know the circumstances under which this ex-adpi is no longer a member. However, I do know the amount of disrespect she must have had for her sisters. It is ridiculous that she told part of the ritual of alpha delta pi. I feel sorry for her and am ashamed that she would do this only to boost her own self-confidence.

I'd just like to post a little comment to express my absolute incredulity that anyone would ever, ever, buy into that pile of crap.

The lengths people apparently go to follow the herd amaze and astound me. I can't beleive that any rational human being would put up with such crap.

I guess a hundred years ago (or however long it supposedly is) a couple of girls got creative with their hazing, the poor saps never learned that it was all bullshit and horsefeathers, and it got passed on ever since...

I am not a member of any Greek organization. However, I think it's just rude to go and pledge yourself, or whatever y'all sorority girls do, and then break the pledge you made. Its downright wrong to make a promise, swear, or oath and then break it. I think that if you were really friends with these people then it would matter to you and affect the decision you have made to go and spread their business to the internet. I have people that I once was friends with and now am not friends with. However, just cause we arent friends anymore doesnt give me the right to go spreading crap that I made a promise to keep secret.

And one more thing, like I said, Im not in a sorority. If the girls from this sorority really are saying, well some is true, some isnt, then the likelihood is that its probably not true at all. Cause, afterall, you're supposed to deny at all costs any reference to this right?

And to add one more thing, I don't see any point in bashing people who are members of sororotities or fraternities. Its just another social group, just like Key Club, Insert name here Honor Society, etc. Just leave people alone and let them make their own decisions.

I can not believe that you would put something like this on a website. You need to remove this quickly because you will soon have an entire society coming after you and the person who wrote this.

Exuse me....I happen to be a current Alpha Delta Pi member and I don't know where you picked crap like that up from, but if you actually think that's what our initiation consists of, friend you were never really a member. Might I advise you to quit trying to be such a poser, and if you want to try to expose our rituals,try to atleast find out what they REALLY are instead of putting this fake b.s. on the web. You're only going to make yourself look worse by making up lies. The truth of the matter is that you probably wanted to be in ADPi and they wouldn't take you, so your way of getting back at them is to come up with some lame-ass ritual sounding junk and try to convince everyone this is the real thing. Thats so sad, and it makes me almost feel sorry for you. Besides, anyone who knows anything about our initiation knows its not that easy. I'd like to end by congratulating you on making such an ass of yourself, and I look forward to hearing what you decide to make up about the next sorority you get pissed off at...but next time, make it more exciting and easier to believe.

The only reason anyone went along with the bullshit you posted, is because most of us who ACTUALLY belong to Alpha Delta Pi, are too kind hearted to let you know what a dumbass you are. But I'm not one of those...so let me tell you what's really up. I agree with the last post...you don't have a flippin' clue what you're talking about and its truly sad you felt like you had to make stuff like that up. Props to the women who just led on that this was true, but I think people need to realize what a liar this chick is. Don't condone it just b/c you feel sorry for her. People need to know that what she wrote was just a sad ( and very unentertaining might I add) fantasy about what she thinks a sorority ritual should be. What an exciting life you must lead...oh to be you. If I had nothing better to do than make up stuff about people I didn't like, I guess I'd put it on the internet too.

I am sorry that all you mere loosers are unable to be part of a sorority or fraternity! You really should not make statements regarding something that you know NOTHING about! Don't you people have anything better to do with your time??? --No wait, you probably do not! GDI's suck!!

its too bad that you feel you have to expose the rituals of the finest secret society in the world...its even sadder how you are inaccurate...if youre trying to hurt ADPi, good luck, because proud greeks are stronger than bitter independents on this issue. stay bitter;)

Isn't it wonderful how the internet can give people an opportunity to expose something that is very sacred to some girls. It also gives the sorority girls the opportunity to claim that the information is totally false. (Even though it's probably pretty accurate). I also would like to know what the girl that wrote it is thinking while she is sitting back and reading all of her former "sisters" fall apart over something as trivial as a sorority ritual. We aren't in high school anymore girls. Grow up......seriously.

I THINK THIS IS SOOOOOOO FUNNY!! I AM AN EX-ADPI AND THE RITUAL IS PRETTY DAMN CLOSE TO THE TRUTH!!! THIS JUST SHOWS HOW THIS SORORITY IS GOING TO SHIT BECAUSE THE ACTIVE MEMBER ARE BITCH!! I AM SOOOO DISSAPOINTED THAT I EVER JJOINED ADPI AND IF I COULD TAKE BACK THOSE TWO YEARS, I WOULD HAVE. ADELPHE!

Ladies, please remember that as sisters of the first and finest, we are expected to conduct ourselves as dignified ladies. This does not involve spewing obscenities over the internet towards someone that posted a message over a year ago. Please try and conduct yourselves in the manner befitting an ADPi. Don't post anymore messages. All you are doing is letting this person win.

May your traitorous lips wither and return to dust

Everyone is entitled to their opinion of Greek organizations. Why anyone would go out of their way to post a sorority's ritual on the internet is beyond me. Who is dying to read that kind of thing anyway? With all the things going on in the world today: terrorism, poverty, rape, etc. everyone needs to stop being so concerned with "greeks". Lighten up. Is it really that big of a deal? Life is too short to be petty over such things. As for the ADPi's who are responding to this, you are just making the situation worse. By lashing back and saying things like "GDI's suck" you are just perpetuating this "war" between greeks and non-greeks. I have plenty of friends who are non-greek as well as greek. We are all not that different, so just get over it, everyone.

For all you ADPi members, by posting messages it is just making this story sound true. If this ritual really was made up, then why stress out over an internet posting?!? ADPI'S who are trying to defend their sorority are just making things even worse for their sisterhood. I am a member of THE BEST greek organization and I am sooooo glad it is not ADPI because the horible quality of their sisters. We have an ADPI chapter at our school, and let me tell you, they are known as " Rho Hoes" "Beer sluts" and "Crack whores" All ADPi's are getting worse and worse! I is embarasing to een be at the same school. PS: I have already known this ritual for over a year because one of the ADPi members opened their big mouth- show's how important the secrets are huh---?

Thats fucked up that u would put this on the internet. Just because u might have had a bad experience, doesnt mean you have to ruin it for the rest of the ADPi's out there. I am disgusted that I would have ever called u my sister. GET A FUCKING LIFE!!

First, lets talk about how you do not have a life because you would rather go around and make up fake rituals for a sorority. Sorry that you have a social disorder and could not find the great things in ADPI.
Second, at our Campus, to be an ADPI is a privlege and you have to have an excellent character. So obvisiously if you aren't in the chapter anymore, you didn't have a strong character, nor the beauty of violets, or the brillance of diamonds.
Third, you have no integrity for yourself and probably never will.

I feel sorry for you more than anything. It must suck to be you. It must suck to sink so low and create falicies to draw attention to yourself. YOU NEED SERIOUS HELP!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! YOUR SISTERHOOD IS GOING TO HELL NOW BECAUSE THE LACK OF GOOD QUALITY GIRLS!! LOOK AT THIS FINE EXAMPLE HERE! I HATE ALL ADPI'S!! I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT THEY ARE SLUTS!! THE ONES AT MY SCHOOL MADE THE NEW GIRLS SNIFF COKE!! GOOD SISTERS HUH?!

Ok, first of all you should go to hell for saying all of thoses things. Second, none of it is true, and you are just trying to be bad ass and all cool. If you want to down something, try your head in a pool of water.

Hey bitch! Why don't you take this shit off the fucking internet. Its not Alpha Delta Pi's fault that you are too fucking stupid to actually be allowed in the sorority! Why don't you take the bullshit off of here. None of it is correct anyways. Dumb bitch!!!

OK, first of all I dont know what kind of chapter you were in and maybe you got a bid into the wrong house. Not everyone who goes through recruitment ends up liking the organization that they pledge. But if in fact is was a mistake and you were not inititated into the correct sorority than I am sorry you missed out on the most wonderful experience of your college career. I am a current JI and let me tell you that there is no way in hell that someone can post the secrets of the Alpha Delta Pi sorority in two or three paragraphs. There are details and feelings and relationships and bonds with those girls in which we "pay for" to enjoy something in life. Alpha Delta Pi ladies are classy and well manored and in this case it is just a rotten apple or someone who should not hve recruited in the first place. I am sorry you feel the way you do because I will always and forever love the people in which I have grown to love and grown close to in the past 12 weeks. As someone else stated beofre, it is not all about the secrets, it is how much you treasure them and how much you love your sisters and love what you are doing not only for yourself but for the community. I have done so much community service within the past 12 weeks, I would never have done it if I had not been in ADpi. Once agian I am truly sorry for all the lost memories you have, but I want you and everyone who comments on this lame site to know that just because someone is bitter and "thinks" she posted the secret rituals of my organizations, my chapter will not show any regret. We will keep on at our chapter meetings and still love our sorority for what it is, a wonderful organization where everyone keeps loyal in their hearts.

PS- WE DO NOT PAY FOR FRIENDS!! THAT IS MORE RIDICULOUS THAN HAZING!! IT MAKES ME SO MAD THAT SOME NON-GREEKS CAN POST MEAN THINGS AGIANST GREEK MEMBERS. I HAVE HAD MOST OF THESE FRIENDS FOR YEARS BEFORE I JOINED, AND HAVE YOU BEEN IN A SORORITY OR FRAT? THAN YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND!! WE PAY DUES FOR THE COST OF OUR LODGES AND THE UPKEEPING OF THE LAWN... THAT IS ALL AND I THINK THAT MAYBE YOU SHOULD PAY FOR SOME FRIENDS SO YOU WILL AT LEAST HAVE ONE...

Loyally and Pi Love,
Megan (Epsilon Epsilon Chapter @ Texas Tech University)

those comments you made about ADPI ritual are flat out wrong, so you may want to take them down before someone embarrases themselves

Ok this is so weird! For one that someone would post something so ridiculous and then some of the comments left on this board. For one Every Adpi chapter is different as with any club or organization. I mean they can't be the same on every campus. Most chapters that I know of do not allow hazing including the one at my school. They do not haze period. I'm sorry if people see adpi as a bad thing on some campus but you can't blame the sorority as a whole for what individuals might do. If you had a bad experience I'm sorry but what some people have said about the sorority is just immature and maybe they shouldn't be in college and should go back to high school because they obviously don't deserve to be greek or in the presence of greeks.

So Grow up or you'll never make it through the real world which is what Greek life really helps prepare you for.

I think that it is so funny that you are sharing secrets that dont even exist. That was all wrong.

You must have missed the real reason of sisterhood, or got hurt in some way.. and for this... I am sorry for you. You have missed an amazing thing.. not jus the friendship, but the sisterhood!

I don't know of any house where dues are less than ,500 a year. If you know what chapter has 0 dues, let me know.

$ 2500

i am an adpi alum and quite honestly i find it very offensive that you would write what happens at initiation. no wonder your an x adpi. you should know that secrets are secrets and their is a reason we dont tell people what happens. its because of the sisterhood. It is an idea that only the girls of adpi share. I can not believe you quite frankly and i truly think that you should remove this post. but it is a free country and you can do what you want. but just so you know, as an adpi to another x-adpi, i would never open my arms to you. your terrible. you broke our codes and ethics and quite honestly, you dont deserve to have ever been a diamond.

May your traitorous lips wither and return to dust.

If you were really initiated into Alpha Delta Pi you would know what the letters mean and what OBIC means. Why didn't you put that? huh?

Yeah what does OBIC mean? what do the letters stand for?

I would just like to say Congrats ADPi's! You have just demonstrated the "loyalty" that is represented throughout our chapter. Although some of the attacks are pretty vulgar...you still stood your ground. Good job for standing up for me and the other thousands of ADPi's out there. As for the author...get a life and some morals. I take pride in my sisters...and you are something that I obviously would not have taken pride in. Peace bioch!

ok so JOSH think he knows about my sorority's ritual. Sweet. A guy, telling secrets, that there's no way he could know. And everyone's supposed to believe this. And even if Josh is some chicken shit's pen name, did you win? Did you get back at the chapter that hurt you? Wow.. you must have really loved it if they hurt you bad enough that you chose to go this far. So you loved it.. I hope you 'got out of it what you put into it'. If this is the kind of member you were, no wonder you were cancelled. And I hope you got some satisfaction that you have managed to hurt ADPi's nationally.. cause ya know, me and you JOSH, we go way back...riggghhhttt. and three years later you still have enough of a grudge to still have this up. Maybe you didnt get anything out of it because you were beyond help.. seems like it to me. But thanks for trying to hurt me and those that I love dearly.. woulda hurt more if you knew what you were talkin about...

If you are going to post secrets, you should probably post ones that are actually true. I am sorry for whatever your chapter did to you, but you should not go around trying to degrade the other memebers of this sororiety.

If you are going to post secrets, you should probably post ones that are actually true. I am sorry for whatever your chapter did to you, but you should not go around trying to degrade the other memebers of this sororiety.

I'M IN A FRATERNITY AND IF SOMEONE KNOWS ONE OF OUR SECRETS AND CONFRONTS ME ABOUT IT I DENY IT. HMMM, REAL HARD TO SAY "GOOD TRY BUT GUESS AGAIN" THE DUMB BITCHES THAT ADMITTED THE SHIT IS CORRECT ARE TRULY AMAZING. OH WELL I STILL LOVE BITCHES.

Ok your just a looser and ugly and cant getinto a soroity or frat...get a life niggah

Hey girls, I am a Pike and my GF is an ADPI and man yall are my fucking girls! Look whether that shit is true or not I don't know, my GF has NEVER told me shit, nor have i asked out of repsect for her and my friends in ADPI, but I have had many guys in PIKE that I kicked out becasue they were fags and went and told shit and guess what, in the end the ritual doesn't mean shit, its all about the sisterhood. Sure the ritual is what links you guys together all over the country but a true ADPI knows whats up and man its jsut about being with those girls you love and shared all those great times with! So fuck you bitch for posting that shit on the internet you fucking loser jsut because you sat by yourself at lunch in highschool doesn't mean you have to be a bitch to everybody else. TTKA loves us some ADPI's and you guys are the best damn sorority ever! You're not the best because you're the oldest, you're the oldest because you're the best!!!!!

i'm glad you paid attention durring initiation...because you got it allllll wrong...idiot

miss "ex-adpi"... you're fucking skeez, get a life.

If you stupid girls had any sense, you'd deny it. The description of the Alpha Delta Pi ritual is very accurate.

Anyone else have ritual questions?

You would think that with all of these posts talking about secrets, and being bitter toward an organization someone would post the meaning of O.B.I.C or the meaning of Alpha Delta Pi because to expose a ritual and to not give the secret mottos of a organization is like telling a story without the ending. im just curious so if anyone wants to post...

Actually, this information is incorrect. Maybe that's why your chapter kicked you out. Way to go.

haha, I find this quite hilarious. I am an adpi, and while I must say that I may not "like" all my sisters, I certianly repespect them and our rituals. however for the others ones I absolutely love, I coudl drop out today and still be their sisters. I'm sad that you had such a bad experience, and while I do recognize that not all girls, esp in a sorority, are created equal, I do realize now why you got kicked out (if you wereever in). That was a nice narration of the ritual, however if I were going to make up something, I'd make it a little more worthwhile. You make us sound boring and dull, if you were a real adpi you would have been able to say a lot more secretive stuff than what you put on there. I'm sorry your bored and didn't get into my sorority. try not to cry too hard.

Awww....I can't believe that this has sparked so much controversy. To my ADPi girls, we're so awesome that people have gone through THIS much trouble and thought to figure out just how amazing our sisterhood works. It's a real compliment to us, thanks! It's all wrong in so many ways, and it's not even worth posting anything else. Let anti-greeks post whatever they want they just give us more power. Pi love, Jessica

P.S.- She must've forgotten the part that we were the FIRST, we are the FINEST, and we are FOREVER!! So Proud to be an ADPi :-)

Wow...I'm really sorry that your time in Alpha Delta Pi ment so little to you that you feel the need to go out and share their secrets. You are the lowest most repulsive type of person...trying to ruin something that means so much to so many other people. I truelly feel sorry for you and I am glad that you are not in the sorority anymore becasue I would be ashamed to call you my sister.

I am SO sorry you were in a bad situation as an ADPi, my only question is... were you an ADPi? The information you have shared on the web does not begin to expose the most amazing womens society in the world. My advice to you: Go back to your notes and make damn sure you were initiated into ADPi, because girl- we accecpt only the best and you, are not!

i feel so bad for you because you didnt experience ADPI. i wouldn't trade my time with ADPI for ANYTHING. obviously you had a bad experience, and no wonder.. because CLEARLY you are not an ADPI and do NOT deserve to wear our letters or be associated with our amazing sorority. we are the first and the FINEST.. and this is not you. so while you are being bitter about not being one of us, and trying to destroy what we hold sacred, know that you are not affecting us because while you claim you know our ritual, you do not know what our sisterhood is about, and words cant even describe that. pi love to all my adpi girls out there :)

Oh hunny... you're so misguided. People like you only have to talk because they're jealous. Good luck in life child. Dust.

Ok to be honest, I'm an ADPi and I don't even know what O.B.I.C. is, maybe I do, but I don't remember it being discussed in any part of initiation. And initiation was one of the most incredible experiences of my life, something I would never even tell, not even my boyfriend of 2 years. And I keep no secrets from him. I feel kinda of left out for not knowing this OBIC, maybe our chapter called it something else. Hopefully at our next initiation I can catch it or recognize what is. This girl, that posted this, seriously has problems. To reveal something so sacred is a horrible thing to do, in any organization. I feel for her. FIRST FINEST FOREVER since 1851!!

What does OBIC and Alpha Delta Pi mean... Just curious

I would just like to know who you people think you are? Yes, I am an ADPi and I love my sorority and all of my sisters. I would never be a traitor to them or any other ADPi anywhere. For the OBIC thing, in my chapter it is wrong to tell what it means, but I know at other chapters it is okay to tell. Personally I believe we should just keep everything a secret and let it be. And for the young lady that posted this message a long time ago, you have some real balls to put this on a website. You must not have much to do with your time. And like all of the other posts have said you should have listened during initiation. You should learn something from this experience, and keep your secrets to yourself. I am sure that you have a guilty conscience for telling lies to people because no one in this world likes a liar.
And to all my true ADPi's out there O.B.I.C pi love and all mine.

I am an ADPi, and I have had sisters' membership cancelled recently. This has been a hard time for the remaining sisters and the cancelled sisters. But through it all, everyone has kept their class. After all, isn't that what makes us a true diamond? Our moral, ethics, and class? I just know that whoever post this message was never a true diamond. She obviously does not have the same standards. To her, may your traitorous lips wither and return to dust. But I am so proud to see the support coming from my sisters from different chapters. I am so blessed to be a part of this organization.

Please respect our rituals.

PI LOVE AND ALL OF MINE.

I think this entire thing is stupid. All of you- grow up.

I have friends in ADPi that have told me everything that goes on- at our school, its not a big deal.

i was with some ADPi girls and they saw this site and said OBIC does not mean "our bond in christ"... they think its a riot that we dont know what it "really" means... so is that really what it means?

I would just like to point out that whether this information is true or not is completely irrelevant. The the true sisters in Alpha Delta Pi out there- we know the truth. More important than words or a handshake is the fact that we know the MEANING behind it. We know the meaning behind over 150 years of ritual. To the people that think they know- congratulations. Good luck getting into chapter meetings all around the world...it's not going to get you anywhere. 

So anybody know anything about Alpha Chi Omega or Tri-Delt rituals they'd like to post??

i dont know this for sure but in the laws of heraldry a evergreen tree symolizes death and rebirth when placed on a Coat of arms and if you notice tri delt has 2 evergreen trees on their COA which i think would mean a death scene similar to Chi O

DUST BITCH

clealry you should have never been in the sorotiy...first cause you cant be trusted and your clearly a just a fucked up person so your fucked up..

PLEASE.
Everyone needs to STOP posting.
I am an ADPI, and I have NO idea why you would continue to post on this ignorant girls attempt to become a "hero" for spreading ADPI's ritual...when it is NOT true.

For the ones who think its true- Actually, I sit here and LAUGH, because while I'm telling you its not true-- you are thinking it is, and that is GREAT!!! I hope you think its true, because that means that this girl accomplished nothing, because ADPI knows it isnt true. WHICH MEANS- our ritual is safe!

For the people who were saying that ADPI was "row hoes" and all of the vulgar names that you chose to describe us....I'm sorry that you had a slacking chapter at your college. I know for a FACT that ADPI is completely different at every college...except for the fact that we still have the most amazing sisterhood. All sororities are different at every college, and I would like to suprise you with some of the rumors of YOUR sorority at my college.

For the TRUE ADPI's- LADIES, right now take this time to take a deep breath and LAUGH. Ladies, we are the FIRST & THE FINEST. and NOTHING IN A MILLION YEARS COULD EVER CHANGE THAT. A pathetic girl on the internet can not change 155 YEARS of true sisterhood. This shows what OBIC really means.....for those of you who know what OBIC means, you know that something like this will not affect our sisterhood.

For the ADPI's dissing this girl - Please ladies lets stay true to our word and show them that we are the first and the finest and stop cussing on the internet....we are the first and the finest-- so show it. This girl obviously is not our sister-- never was--never will be, so stop yelling at her and show some class. Uphold our letters and act like you are an ADPI, because you know that isn't how ADPI is. PRAY for her.

For the ones who are "ANTI GREEK"-- I'm sorry that you will never experience how amazing sisterhood/brotherhood is. REALLY, I'm sorry. because I don't think I could ever be complete without this aspect in my life. I truely think that becoming a greek has changed my life. We don't pay for our friends....we pay dues....dues to help pay for-- supplies (for community service, philanthropy, etc. --things you should do!), scholorships, formals, tshirts, intermural sports, homecoming....etc. IM SORRY that you will never experience the most amazing bond in the world! Don't dis on greeks when you know NOTHING about it. You know what you see on TV. and things on TV is far from what greeks are. Greeks have the highest GPA of all college students-- what does that say about college partying? Obviously its not just greeks. Get your facts straight and step out of the sterotype...

OBIC!!!!!!! THE FIRST FINEST FOREVER!!!!!! 1851!!!!!!!!!!

May your lips wither and return to dust

Delta Tau Delta - Highest GPA Nationally for fraternities and sororities! I Love my ADPi's!!

since were in the spirit of sharing. what are some alpha gamma delta secrets?

haha, you got the handshake wrong. but seriously, the rest of you, OBIC?? i don't know what ritual you're learning, but it certainly isn't the correct one. tip to my sisters, neither confirm nor deny, simply ignore.

I know its been said, but please ignore this post. By reacting to this in a negative way we are making our sisterhood look bad. We are classy ladies and all that entails. You girls know our ritual as it is and we are the only ones who can truly say we know our ritual through and through.
Pi love sisters
OBIC

I just wanted to say I think this post is very sad. I feel bad for the girl that wrote this because she doesn't know true friendship, true sisterhood, or any little bit of loyalty.

If you can stoop this low, I honestly feel very bad for you. I'm sorry you are an ex-adpi not by choice but your actions show why you aren't one anymore. No one can ever trust you, no one should ever be your friend because you have no idea what friendship is.

To my lovely ladies of Alpha Delta Pi, you girls are amazing, young or old, near or far OBIC. Even if you don't know what OBIC means you know it in your heart. We are forever. We all have the same goals and the same love for our sorority. I know we will go far and some girls attempt to ruin us does not even make a dent in our sisterhood whatsoever.

I hope this girl ends up having a good life but with her actions you can only guess how she will react to any situation life throws at her.Obviously not with grace or class.

What was written in that post may or may not be true, but it doesn't really matter. I just hope you all know ADPi is more than a handshake or a symbol. It's a shared motto a beleif our founders had and we have and you OR ANYONE can never ever take that away.

OBIC. Pi love and ALL of mine.

i am not part of ADPi, but am part of another sorority, i just can't believe anyone would actaully turn against their oath of promsing never to reveal the conveant to anyone... that is just so wrong

just becuase you're an ex-ADPi, that doesn't mean you should reveal their secrets (whether true or not), and post their 150+ years of tradition cheaply on the internet for the public to see, even if you don't respect the girls, respect the sorority, and at least have some respect for yourself

it hurts to see why anyone will do this

its mind, character, and truth. don't know where you got hope from....

i don't know why everyone is freaking out. everybody knows everybody's everything anyway. do you know how many times someone not in my sorority (usually guys) has came up to me and shook my hand the ritual way? with the house being 150+ years old it was bound to come out. i think the only thing sillier than posting ritual is lying when you are outed - that makes you look stupid. its like admit it - you were pwned. others knowing the ritual doesn't take from the sisterhood. the stars, the grip, the password, that's all superficial, its the love we have for our sisters that really matters.

Just like you wouldn't post your family's secrets, good or bad, on the internet; you don't post your sisterhood's secrets either. Ex-sister or not.

I hate that whoever wrote this never got to truly experience the sisterhood that I have.

I am a member of a secret society myself...similar to a sorority but we don't pay or have a house. I think it just shows that wew are good people that we can be members of the elite and NOT HAVE TO SHOW IT OFF...anyhoo, AN ACTIVE SISTER taught me your handshake (there's no middle finger involved, only the index) and she even told my WHY that's your handshake (most important vein in your "sister's" body). I WAS RECENTLY WRONGED by an ADPi, ...she was un-classy enough to try and get my boyfriend to date her behind my back. AND YES, SHE PISSED ME OFF THAT MUCH SO I CAN WRITE WHATEVER I WANT. RIGHT. So I taught my boyfriend that handshake and I'm pretty sure he let his ENTIRE Fraternity in on the secret, too. Maybe you should think a little harder about who you accept as your sisters, ladies. Since you have unclassy ladies and those ACTIVE sisters that share your secrets. NONE of my sisters in my secret society would do anything like your sisters. OH, and our initiation is way more challenging and rewarding in the end. Not to mention we get to have fun..and we have secret names that our sisters make up for us. Kthanksbye.

sorors,

must choose your new members carefully, but i am sure every sorority has its own share of "pyscho" sisters

fraternally yours,

"Maybe you should think a little harder about who you accept as your sisters, ladies. Since you have unclassy ladies and those ACTIVE sisters that share your secrets"

No one in my chapter would EVER EVER EVER do this. And like someone else said, every chapter is different.

Today we salute you, Miss Alpha Delta Pi sister. Considered to be truly classy since 1851. ADPi's have set the precedent for every sorority. Women have strived to become just like you for over a century. Intimidation is the best form of flattery, isn't it? As an ADPi you exemplify all that is positive about women in college today. You are well rounded, executing terrific time management between school, work, and play. You are always the life of the party and also the girl that the fellas want to take home to their mother. And of course you dazzle her with your wit, charm, and stunning good looks. So pop open a bottle of bubbly, you diamond girl, because everyone knows that ADPi is where the first and absolute finest will be forever fabulous!!

so what do the letters and OBIC means? adpi girls in my campus are always bragging about how they know my sorority's secrets and they even make fun of them. i would just like to tell one of them a few of their own secrets so that they'll see how it feels to have your secrets be treated so light heartedly. does anyone know???

um dolly?
just because an alpha delta pi sister knows about your sorority's dumb secret, it doesn't make it alpha delta pi's fault, does it? who told one of your dumb sisters to tell everyone? and no, i will never tell you what OBIC means, and even if you know, you won't know the meaning behind it anyway,

get lost

FIRST FINEST FOREVER!

who the hell do you think you are to call my sorority's secret dumb? my secret means as much to me as yours does to you. i would think that a fellow greek woman would understand how appalled i am that your SISTERS are making fun of MY secret. How would you feel if girls constantly yelled your ritual across campus and laugh with others about the "ridiculousness" of it??. i'm pretty sure you wouldn't appreciate it jsut like you don't appreciate people talking about it online...i just hope not all ADPi's are conceited, ignorant, arrogant BITCHES like the girls at my school.

hm, so in order to get other sorority members to know how you feel, you want to know adpi's secrets so you can do the same to them? sounds like you're having problems too, sister

Ok, i don't have any problems. I'm just sick of ADPi's bullshit. We have tried everything to get them to stop mocking our ritual in public and to make them understand how awful we feel about it. But ADPi's at this school are fucking airheads and nothing get through their heads. It's been over a year of this, and they won't quit. So, to us, this is the last resort, that's all. We could care less about your ritual, we've got our own. But we would like to protect it, and since discussing things like mature people doesn't appeal to the ADPi's here, we have no choice but to do to them as they have been doing onto us. I do not feel hatred towards Alpha Delta Pi, i believe you all are a great organization that has been around forever, and for a reason. However, this particular ADPi chapter doesn't seem to care about anyone but themselves and in their attempts to be popular with other greeks, they put us down. Tell me, who's got problems??????

OBIC = our bond is closest!!!! I HATE ADPI BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

our bond is closest? that doesn't even sound grammatically correct, but i must commend you for the effort

For those of you who insist on tarnishing the name of ADPi, why even bother? I'm sure you could come up with many different answers. Maybe it's because an adpi has been bitchy to you in the past. Maybe it's because you wanted to be an adpi and either didn't get a bid or you de-sistered for some reason or another. Maybe it's because you are skeptical of Greek organizations in general. Regardless of the reason, I can guarantee that you're hurting others more than you know. Most likely, you haven't given thought to the hurt you are causing.
I was initiated as a delta member of ADPi in October of 2004. These past 2 years have been quite an experience. I have had good times in Adpi and bad times in Adpi. As all greeks know, sorority and fraternity life is a struggle; a struggle to maintain good relations with your sisters and brothers while conducting the business of the particular organization. It is much like a real family; everyone has something different to bring into the group. In the case of my particular chapter, there are some sisters with whom I am very close, and then there are those sisters with whom I'm not as close. Just as a family has unconditional love, i have love for all my sisters, best friends or not. I think when people suggest that greeks "buy their friends", it's because they don't have a full understanding of how special it can be. In every organization (Greek AND non-Greek), you will find a kind of loyalty that comes from being part of a group. Often times you will see ADPis closing letters with "Love and Loyally". I do believe that most ADPis feel loyalty toward the sisterhood; afterall, it is the bond that holds us together. For those of you who I am priviledged to call my sisters, you are all loved. You are all amazing ladies and should be very proud to wear our letters. I believe that Eugenia Tucker Fitzgerald would be very proud of the women who represent her beloved secret society. We should not allow ourselves to forget the words of our creed, "I believe that my sorority is more than a ritual or a symbol; that it is a way of life."
In closing, I would like to address those of you who find joy in criticizing Alpha Delta Pi. I have personally never done anything to you. Neither have any of my friends in the sorority. We love our sisterhood and hold it as precious. I would never criticizing anything you hold in such high regard; that would be intruding upon your business. Regardless of your reasoning, you hurt many more people than just a few; you hurt girls all over the country. I think I speak for all Adpis when I say that our ritual cannot possibly be meaningful to anyone who is not a sister. For the past two years, I have grown to appreciate adpi in ways that I did not understand as a newly-initiated sister. Even today, I continue to grow as an adpi. For this reason, our ritual couldn't possibly be beneficial to you. Please stop and consider the girls who you would hurt before you post more negative comments about our sisterhood.
Thanks for your attention.

Obviously your parents did not raise you correctly. I am an Alpha Delta Pi and I am so tired of people talking badly about greek organizations. let us pay for our friends if we want... what problem is it of yours? Your "daddy" is not paying for it so why do you care? Your hate and disloyalty is no concern of mine. Congrats to everyone who has read this, you made your day more productive. There are more people on this site in favor of greeks than not and there are tons of greeks at every school in the country, so obviously they like something. If you hate greeks so much, than stop worrying so much about what we do. adpis please stay classy and do not stoop to their level. I would rather be a blonde, stupid sorority girl with pride in her organization than a time wasting, hateful person with no morals or class.

Pi love and Mine,
Megan

this may be a few years too late, but i honestly think it's horrible for you to give out details on something you swore not to reveal. granted you may have had a bad experience in your chapter, but think of all the other adpi's around the states that haven't done a single thing to harm or hurt you emotionally. by doing this, whether you mean to or not, you are hurting everyone of them. i, having a friend who disaffliated from her chapter, know how bitter you may feel, and i know whether or not ppl know about our ritual will not change or affect my sisterhood at all. this website, post, journal entry, whatever... is just a testament to your lack of integrity and immaturity. i feel bad for you and i'm sorry you were not treated well by another sister, but that does not give you the right to put this up. i hope you have better luck in the future, and i hope karma doesn't come back around to bite you in the butt

no wonder you are no longer a sister. obviously you did not deserve it in the first place.

that's all i have to say to you.

wow i happen to be an ADPi who just went through initiation and i don't know where you were initiated at but none of that is done in ritual, you need to get a life and stop bashing ADPi just because you couldn't hack it. I think it is pretty funny that this is what you do now.

BETA LOVES THOSE DIAMOND GIRLS!!!

I've dated a few pis in my day. They are huge, gross kleptomaniacs.

Our Bond Is Closest. The post above is correct. The handshake described in the opener is slightly wrong-it's just the first finger of your right hand on the wrist of the other person. Also, when you enter the chapter room for a meeting, not only do you say "Aldelphae", but as you say it, you take your left first finger and point at the top of your right ear and then cross down to your heart (I may have this backwards). Inside every pin is the missing star described in the opener (if you break your pin open you'll find it-not many in the sorority actually know about this). A way to signal a known ADPi is to put your first finger on your closed lips (as in the "shhh" sign).

ok how does that work

I hate you bitches!
Love,
Sandy

This sounds somewhat like Phi Mu's ritual. Looks like there are some similarities.

Well I'm sure you've heard the story that Phi Mu is an offbranch of ADPi. The girls that couldn't get into A D Pi started another sorority (Phi Mu) so that is maybe where the similarities come from because after all we both use lions but when we are on the same campus Phi Mu is supposed to resort to a lady bug.

Yeah like Phi Mu's have three stars too. Stars of Love, loyalty, and truth. There pin is a quatrefoil, which is the shape of four hearts put together. There password is Philomathean. Their closed motto is LIOB=Love is our bond. Anyone know the handshake, secret sign, or any other initiation secrets of theirs?

Stars are Love, honor, and truth.

I hate those bitches. They act like they know all about Beowulf and shit. AOT!

sounds like sigma nu

I am sorry if the KD chapter at your college sucks. I am a KD and love it! However, I have transfered to a new college and the new college I am at has an offensive chapter. My knew school does not have a chapter that represents the KD I know and love. I do relate to KDdani's experience of knowing a KD chapter that is a let down. However, I beg of you to believe that there are KD's out there who are respectful and fair.

Any comments?

they suck

end of story

PS: for example, their mascot is a squirel, hello?

Three nuts for Alpha Gam NUT, NUT, NUT!!

What is open: Our blessing. Our songs. The ADPi Creed. The history of our founding, our lion and his name "Alphie," the woodland violet or diamond, our colors and their meaning, our original name, our diamond circle and 25 year anniversary ceremonies, and our Founders Day ceremonies. The Mother Ceremony and the meaning of the Mother Pin. What our Pride Program is All ABOUT. What TME is. What goes on at an education meeting (unless that education meeting is a sorority ritual review). Our nomenclature for officers and phases of membership. (FYI-- we're trying to get away from calling our alumnae "Pi" members. Also, a female alum is an alumnA. Female alum together are AlumnAE. AlumnI are plural male alum or a coed crowd of alum. A single male alum is an alumnUS.) Our closing in a letter to another ADPi is "Loyally"-- this is not ritual or a secret, either.

What DRIVES ME CRAZY: The little sayings our chapters make up like PATA or OBIC, etc--- are not ritual and have never been ritual, and are not part of the Alpha Delta Pi international teachings or way, contrary to what your chapters may have taught you. I tell you this with ONE-THOUSAND PERCENT security and certainty. I know you will tell me I am wrong, will be upset--- as I practically caused a riot on here a couple of months ago when I dropped that "bomb" on you. PATA came out of a keynote speech at a convention many years ago-- It meant Pi's Are Totally Awesome. PATA came back to the chapters as this new "secret" and chapters made up their meanings for it. OBIC followed, and almost every chapter has made up their own nonsense words. THIS IS NOT AN ADPI THING. Even if it is a local tradition with your chapter, it is the equivalent of making up your own ritual. ADPi chapters do not have that privilege. KD has AOT. Alpha Xi has TFJ. Let's quit having Acronym Envy. ADPi DOES NOT have secret acronyms. We have plenty of other interesting ritual secrets though that do need to be kept quiet.

What is open: Our blessing. Our songs. The ADPi Creed. The history of our founding, our lion and his name "Alphie," the woodland violet or diamond, our colors and their meaning, our original name, our diamond circle and 25 year anniversary ceremonies, and our Founders Day ceremonies. The Mother Ceremony and the meaning of the Mother Pin. What our Pride Program is All ABOUT. What TME is. What goes on at an education meeting (unless that education meeting is a sorority ritual review). Our nomenclature for officers and phases of membership. (FYI-- we're trying to get away from calling our alumnae "Pi" members. Also, a female alum is an alumnA. Female alum together are AlumnAE. AlumnI are plural male alum or a coed crowd of alum. A single male alum is an alumnUS.) Our closing in a letter to another ADPi is "Loyally"-- this is not ritual or a secret, either.

What DRIVES ME CRAZY: The little sayings our chapters make up like PATA or OBIC, etc--- are not ritual and have never been ritual, and are not part of the Alpha Delta Pi international teachings or way, contrary to what your chapters may have taught you. I tell you this with ONE-THOUSAND PERCENT security and certainty. I know you will tell me I am wrong, will be upset--- as I practically caused a riot on here a couple of months ago when I dropped that "bomb" on you. PATA came out of a keynote speech at a convention many years ago-- It meant Pi's Are Totally Awesome. PATA came back to the chapters as this new "secret" and chapters made up their meanings for it. OBIC followed, and almost every chapter has made up their own nonsense words. THIS IS NOT AN ADPI THING. Even if it is a local tradition with your chapter, it is the equivalent of making up your own ritual. ADPi chapters do not have that privilege. KD has AOT. Alpha Xi has TFJ. Let's quit having Acronym Envy. ADPi DOES NOT have secret acronyms. We have plenty of other interesting ritual secrets though that do need to be kept quiet.

I thought very highly of ADPi's before going through rush. I must say, I have no idea who told ADPi girls they were classy, but they were sadly mistaken. I have met ADPi girls from surrounding schools and this holds true for them as well. UNC Chapel Hill's ADPi chapter is so clueless they accepted a cocaine addict this past semester during rush, I am sure her future contributions to ADPi will be great! I don't know about other girls... but that certainly is something I would kill to be a part of! KAPPA DELTA FOR LIFE!

i dont understand what the pupose of this website is. who made it? is this a blog or something? also what the hell is a blog? and why is everyone talking about this sorority?

Our Beer is Coldest. C'mon everyone knows the ADPi girls are the "classiest" but they can also drink any guy under the table!!!.... not in letters tho ladies... keep it classy san diego.


you gotta keep a sense of humor about these things ladies. dont sweat the small stuff. obviously people have nothing better to do with their time or energy. Adpi's however do: Philanthropy and Loyalty, Success and Legacy. Keep it going.

any sororority is better than ADPi, (ie. eightly pound thigh, or eat a pie, shady pi)

except perhaps non existant ones, such as AST, or alpha chi omega, or ZTA (zits, tits and armpits)

some other names (guess where they belong !) all for free, jam a vibrator, Catch a Catcha a ___ (name of STD), Try Delts! Everyone has!, DOGS, Chi Ho

name them!

Didn't your mom teach you a little integrity?


For all the non-Greeks that like to tell us what Greek life is about:
Is that a joke? How can you rattle off statements about how horrible hazing is and that "paying for our friends"? Have you ever been initiated?

Actually, Alpha Delta Pi does not haze, it's against our national rules! I am an initiated member and I can tell you first hand that I was not hazed. If I was, I wouldn't be affiliated any longer.

Also, about our dues: they go towards nationals, our house, events, and (God forbid) our PHILANTHROPY. I'm almost positive the money that my parents paid for dues did not go to my Diamond sister who reluctantly took it to hang out with me. Note sarcasm.

Instead of looking up hazing horror stories why don't you look up how much we've done for Ronald McDonald house.

Alpha Delta Pi is an organization just like any other. It is absolutely ludacris to talk down about something that you've never experienced. You don't see Greeks wasting their time investigating whatever it is you do with your time and saying mean things about it, do you? You just look silly.

For all the bitter "ex-ADPi"s: I'm sorry your experience wasn't great. People are not perfect. I'm sorry that you had to try to bring our organization down with you to make you feel better.

Gamma Phi has TT K E. You forgot to mention that.

My ADPi chapter (which consists of mostly anoxeric blondes... gotta love us) has three secret acroynyms - the typical PATA, OBIC and our most convenant FDI. We were never told not to use these acronyms. . . we consider them ritual as the ceremonies revealing their meanings has been used since ADPi took over the local chapter back in the 70's. Not mention they are a lot less stressful and scary. I actually consider OBIC, PATA, and especially FDI to be more ritual than what is nationally taught because I see the above in action everyday whilest what ADPi truly means is something we should try to aspire but is it realistic? In my chapter OBIC is our heart, PATA is our confidence and FDI is our motivation. Those are the ADPi principles I live by.

KAPPA ALPHA THETA was the first greek letter fraternity for women= first sorority!! Yall really need to fix that and quit telling girls that!!!!!!!

I hate those bitches!

Um, the Phi Mu stuff is wrong too. LOL! Love In Our Bond is open ritual...we sign our letters with it. Not a motto. Phi Mu is not an offshoot of ADPi. They were formed at the same time on the same campus. Wesleyan. They did not "rip off" any symbolism from ADPi. They do not have to "resort to" a ladybug when they are on the same campus. Actually, some chapters don't even use the ladybug AND have ADPi chapters at their schools too. That's just ignorant. The password is also not "Philomathean." Philomathean is the original name of Phi Mu. "The Philomathean Society", just as ADPi is "The Adelphean Society." They are considered sister sororities nationally. Stop posting things if you don't know what you are talking about!

Kappa Alpha Theta was the first greek letter fraternity for women!! But Alpha Delta Pi was the first secret society for college women!!! That's why we can say we're the first, because we were. We paved the way for all other women's sororities and secret societies.

In response to the Phi Mu comments, we have both aPhi Mu and ADPi on my campus and for both the mascot is a lion. I've never heard of Phi Mu using ladybugs. Second, and correct me if I'm wrong, was told Phi Mu and ADPi use to use the diamond symbol back in the day, but Phi Mu later changed their symbol to a quatrefoil.

Finally, I think it's really interesting that everyone is making such a big deal out of what this girl said. Honestly, the only people what will for sure know and understand our ritual are ADPi's, those who aren't ADPi's will never if this post was true or not.

To all my sisters out there, don't even waste your time with this anymore. It's just some sad woman who has nothing better to do with her life, but attack us.

OBIC, Pi love and mine!!

If I am paying for my friends, than I didn't pay enough. I love my ADPI girls and everything about ADPI

Pi Love

NO FAT CHICKS!

Info on ritual for Delta Gamma? Kappa Kappa Gamma? Alpha Omicron Pi? Sigma Kappa?

It doesnt really matter if what they have posted as our ritual on this site... Only true ADPi s know the absolute truth! This just goes to show that we should be more selective about who we allow in to ADPi. In my opinion someone who would want to do anything to even try to offend ADPi as a whole should not have even been allowed in in the first place. I am sick and tired our selection of girls causeing the once awesome reputation of ADPi to go way down. We should remember what we were founded on and strive to be like that. It is time we get back to tradition!

It doesnt really matter if what they have posted as our ritual on this site... Only true ADPi s know the absolute truth! This just goes to show that we should be more selective about who we allow in to ADPi. In my opinion someone who would want to do anything to even try to offend ADPi as a whole should not have even been allowed in in the first place. I am sick and tired our selection of girls causeing the once awesome reputation of ADPi to go way down. We should remember what we were founded on and strive to be like that. It is time we get back to tradition!

Anyone want to post some Phi Mu ritual? Password? Handshake? Closed Motto?

Come on people. Just let this shit go. Respect each GLO and what they stand for instead of trying to find all their secrets.

NO FAT CHICKS SINCE 2007!

You forgot about the goat!!!!

KD = Sworn Sisters (stolen from Sigma Sigma Sigma)
AOT = Each to the Other True (stolen from Beowulf)
dagger = stab wrong to the heart/overcome evil (also stolen from Tri Sigma skull and bones is death to all that is wrong)

DZs are sworn on the point of a bodkin. The bodkin is first held to their forehead, then moved just above the heart.

"The bodkin symbolizes the sting of conscience, and the hurt to the soul that comes to the woman who... fails to meet the standard of moral worth."

I'd like to hear the National Officers explain to the "fat chicks" how their (the NOs) actions are meeting an appropriate standard of moral worth by kicking out the ladies at DePauw.

I am also an ADPi, and i just wanted to say that I love all of my sisters, and that means all of you. I may not now your name, or where you from , but i know what you stand for. And to me thats more important than any of this. By the way for those of you who are so interested in what we do... Our philanthropy is the Ronald McDonald house, and Alpha Delta Pi's around the United States sponsor a bus that traveles around and goes into urban areas and give out free dental and health care for the needy. Last year we raised 2 millon dollars for that bus. Pretty cool huh. By the way every gallon of aluminum can tabs is a free radiation treatment, and At my chapter we travel to our local Ronald McDonald house and play with the kids, it is an amazing experience that I look forward to every semester. So ladies keep up the great work and remember that we live for each other, and no one can bring us down.

I'm a DZ, and for one thing... Why would you put part of our ritual on the internet? For another thing.. I'm not a barbie doll, and neither are the ladies in my sorority... Just because one group of girls claims that DZ's only accept thin, pretty white girls doesnt mean its true.

Why would I put part of your ritual on the internet? Because I thought it would be rude to take up as much space as would be required to put the entire ritual on here. (I'm kidding).

I'm really on your side here. I think the NOs did a bad thing. I posted part of ritual so some of the NOs would think about the message they're sending to everyone. Clearly, they don't have the kind of respect for the ritual that I would hope NOs would have. They preach it but don't live up to it.

And before you start saying I don't have respect for DZs ritual or else I wouldn't have posted that line from ritual. No one would ever have known it was actually ritual if you hadn't come here and basically confirmed it. And it isn't like I posted anything uber secret. I didn't post the meaning of your letters like others on here have done.

hey! i want to read sorority initiations. is there a site that i can go 2 that lists all the initiations? the secrets stuff here is cool and i want to read more. where can i do that? that old frat secret site has been closed and i've never found anything like it anymore and i miss it b/c it was so cool.

And now the NO's are suing DePauw? Wow. That's just dumb.

I don't understand why people are posting things on here like they've revealed somethihng spectacular. A quick google search can produce the same results. So to the person who posted about their desire to read initiations, do a search. Join a yahoo group or visit greekchat or something. Seriously, you can make progress if you actually try. ::Shruggs and rolls eyes::

That's interesting about the bodkin, Zeta Tau Alpha does the same thing, but with the top point of their five point crown.

it is pathetic that you would even ask for a site tat lists SECRET, sacred rituals. you obviously don't have enough integrity to be a Greek yourself, let alone the fact that you spend your time looking for other people's secrets. Get your own life.

Love to my sisters across the globe, and to all greeks!

NOPE THATS ALLLL WRONG HATER

Hey Historian, you should do your research. Last time I checked, October of 1897 came BEFORE April of 1898. KD was founded before Tri Sigma. They couldn't have stolen anything from them. And you call yourself a historian. Shame on you.

Obviously, someone who can't even do enough math to know which group was founded before the other, has no credibility when it comes to providing private information regarding either group.

Check out page 2, post by another lurker, dated 4/5/05. This is all accurate. The rest in fun to read.

http://www.speedreading.com/phpBB2/ftopic24328.html

WHY WOULD Y OU DO THAT.. I'm an adpi.. just because you are an ex doesnt mean you need to telll any of our stuff.. some of it is right, and to me that is the wrong move to make

phi mu= philomethean=closed motto

Are you in Phi Mu? Because that was the name of there secret society. That's like if ADPi made there closed motto Adelphean, which, btw, it isn't.

i'm pretty sure phi mu's secret motto is one hand one heart one destiny. their letters mean eternal friendship. don't know where you came up with the philomethean thing.

Umm that's not Phi Mu's motto by the way.. Nice try.

any info about the alpha phi's?
or KKG?

like what is AOE?

info on alpha phi you ask?

the letters stand for Arete Philio which stands for Friend to Truth
aoe represents the secret motto - Truth has a Friend in Heaven
There are three passwords. Leading pw is "Althea", answered with "Erano", concluded with "Hetaron"

any info about kappa alpha theta, the sorority that Laura Bush was in?

Something about a high prisestess, something about "just one bad apple will ruin the rest"

anyone?

Honey, if that were true, those boozin' sluttin' daughters of mine have surely tainted the whole lot.

I've known all that crap about AOT (asparagus on toast, right?) and KD and the dagger for years. I looked it up on the internet when I was dating a KD 4 years ago. It was posted everywhere then, and it's posted everywhere now. Nothing new, little kiddies.

Hi everybody,

I was just wondering where everyone gets all of this confidential information from, I have quite a few of the actual copies of the rituals, but most dont say anything about the closed mottoes, unless someone has written them in.

If anyone is interested, or has something that they are willing to trade please send me an email and I will be glad to talk more in depth about the rituals themselves, or any other questions.

Thanks,

Terry

theset74@gmail.com

Does anybody know? Or know any other Delta Gamma secrets? I had to depledge due to financial reasons and have always been very curious as to what I would have learned had I been able to afford it.

You didn't miss out on much. Seriously, the DG ritual is so boring. I don't even remember what anything stands for because it is such a dull read. Join a better sorority. Theta, KD and Tri Sigma have the best rituals out there. Join one of those. You won't be sorry.

DG stands for Desmoi Geros which means Bond of Honor
TDH (on crest) stands for Tolme Dunamis Heyschia which mean courage, strength and peace
Password is fides which means faith.

Hey Ritual collector could you email me at wondering909@gmail.com

Could you e-mail me at jwsteele@gmail.com?

do any of yall besides Ritual Collector actually have anything to trade....if so shoot me an email at theset74@gmail.com

ritual collector - i don't think you've really read any rituals. there aren't written copies. everything is passed down verbally. oh, and i've heard kkg's ritual is the best one out there. i've never even heard of tri sigma. is that like a prof or service society or something?

Actually........you would be surprised at what people can get their hands on.......most every ritual is out there, and available to anyone willing to devote a little time to it.

The only thing that i have ever seen really passed down are the secret mottoes, grips, and passwords......things like that......but to verbally pass down an elaborate ceremony is just crazy in itself to suggest.....havent you ever heard about the little game about getting everybody in a room and passing down a phrase to see what it changes to......now imagine this on a century old scale........it would be completely and totally discernible, and with so much change it would no longer bind any of the sisters together in a common similarity. Therefore the big stuff has to be written down.

However, take any one organization for a moment, and think about its number of members........I will be generous on both ends and say 100,000 in each organization....ever.

No take 100,000 people, and think about the odds of one person telling all of the secrets, to say, make a little money cause hard times fell, or get that one ritual they have been searching for, for years; or even sometimes, just out of plain old bitterness towards their organization.

So is it really such a big deal that these people have certain organizations secrets........I dont think so......I look at it from this standpoint......if you know my secrets....thats fine.......but because you never went through with the group of people I did......you will never completely understand it.

Why in the world would you post secrets that mean so much to so many people? What did they ever do to deserve that? And why does anyone who isn't in Phi Mu (or any other of the sororities mentioned) even care what their secrets are? This is so immature. Get a life. All of you.

I can't believe people are actually upset over this cite. Keep the secrets comin' folx! I'm enjoying the scenery.

What's important is sisterhood. All Greek organizations, regardless of council, are based on elemental components of a "good person". Kindness, loyalty, striving for the best, truth, integrity...all the virtues that are best. Ritual is what defines us, and what makes us "special", or unique. We all as organizations hold our rituals dear. But no matter how important it is to us, it STILL doesn't define us as sisters (or brothers), regardless of organization. The posting of a ritual on the internet (many of us that are Greek probably chose not to continue reading it anyway) does not ruin an organization. ADPi is indeed an extremely well respected, old, and prestigious sorority. This will not bring it down.

I can say that I don't understand why those that are not Greek are interested in "secrets" of Greeks. In general, they aren't going to be that interesting. If there was an organization out there that completed human sacrifices during initiation, we'd have heard about it by now. To non Greeks it won't mean anything...and to other Greeks...well, we all know that the important part of ritual is the part most people that were not worthy forget...the meaning behind whatever it is we do.

I do hold my organization in the highest regard. I bleed red, buff, and green. I love my chapter, I love my sisters. Even the few that have hurt me I treat like sisters...because that is what I am supposed to do. I know I hold vows, promises, verbal, written, understood...anything...to be unbreakable. And even if Alpha Gam threw me out today, even if it was not for a "good" reason, even if I was angry and hurt, I would not ever reveal what I said I would not. I understand that some people join organizations for parties, for easy friends (they believe the saying that you can buy friends...get in and you find that this is not true...you must "study the perfecting of those friendships" to be a real friend), for boys, for girls, for social status, etc. But even they should have basic respect for their fellow human beings, indeed their sisters or brothers. Those that choose to break all vows in some sort of retalitation only make themselves look bad...and were not worthy to be a part of the organization in the first place. People are "kicked out" for different reasons, but it is the ones like this that make the powers that be know that they do indeed make the right membership decisions.

So to the ADPis...and apparently Phi Mus as well...don't worry about it. These people aren't your problem...and the best response is to stay classy. Remember why you are what you are...and don't worry about those that couldn't ever be.

...some might be written down, but not all. And I will hazard a guess that the most important parts of the rituals are not. Just sayin'. The "big" part isn't the finicky motions of rituals, but the meaning behind them...and it is sometimes nice to think about the fact that no matter how much these collectors THINK they know, they will never know it all. It is unlikely they actually did get their hands on the TRULY big stuff, and even then, it means nothing.

Sigma Sigma Sigma is an NPC sorority.

wow.. adpi = first faggots forever.. lol

whatever you're all a bunch of whores for real and i have wipped my ass with your "pledge manual" or whatever it is :O) yayyyyyy

wow.. adpi = first faggots forever.. lol

whatever you're all a bunch of whores for real and i have wipped my ass with your "pledge manual" or whatever it is :O) yayyyyyy

If the secrets aren't important, then you won't mind if I tell everyone that AGD stands for Love, Knowledge and Justice. I don't remember what Epsilon Pi stands for (on teh back of your badge), but I'll look it up and post it. Cos after all, it doesn't really matter, right?

ritual collector,
Could you please use a different pseudonym? I also study rituals, and I've used the handle "ritual collector" for several years now. I don't reveal private information on public websites, and I don't think it is a good thing. There is a group of respectable people who study this information, and I'd prefer that my "name" not be sullied in this manner.
Thanks

i respectfully ask you not to post things like that on the internet and to anyone else who has posted secrets of sororities and fraternities (because i haven't read this whole list but i saw some people asking for secrets) not to do that. only a true adpi or true alpha gam knows if these things are right or not but either way it is disrespectful and downright malicious to post things that hurt people.

As a member of a fraternity/sorority (I'm not posting which one or even which type because you seem to have many rituals and seem to be so immature that you'd do a revenge post) I have to say you are disgusting. I have no problem with true ritual collectors collecting Greek rituals and treasuring them for their beauty and prose. But you obviously have no respect for them at all.

To all the non-Greeks dying for this information you have to understand that the "rituals" do not just entail, "Oh this is what our name means, this is our handshake, this is the password, oh it's all over, let's get drunk!" That is so disrespectful. These are generally 30 minute ceremonies with beautifully written speeches, well designed props/decorations/costumes, gorgeous prose describing the importance of colors/symbols/mottoes and vows that mean so much to their members. If you want to read these rituals to appreciate the beautiful words and imagery that is one thing. People who do this keep them to themselves afterwards. If you want to know the "important" information without taking the time to understand the rest and learn the history of the group then that is disrespectful. You just want to have something to gossip with at the school cafeteria so you can feel proud even though these groups likely all didn't select you (and with good reason...we look for INTEGRITY and CHARACTER, which are values you guys are not showing).

You know, I am also a sister in another Greek organization which shall remain nameless, and to the original poster I would say shame on you.

I am not an active alum and my initiation was over 20 years ago. I really don't think much about those days, but I did make a promise and if nothing else, a person's WORD should be sacred.

I have no idea if the ritual is really the ADPi initiation, but it sounds like it could be. It wasn't too far off my own. The colors are different, the revelation of the motto, what you call your Big Sister, etc. but I think most rituals have some things in common, one of which being the pledge to hold the ritual secret and protect it.

I pledged in my sorority, not to buy friends, but because I genuinely liked the women I met on my hall in college who were in my sorority. When I was rushed and bid on, I accepted and had alot of fun and made great friends, one of which is still my best friend.

The only reason I am not active as an alum is that my life moved on, I remember my college days fondly, but don't really want to still be there (no offense) and am now active in so many other ventures (parenthood, my church, my business, etc.). But I would never betray the confidence of my Sisters, no matter how long it had been or what the circumstances were.

I suspect the writer was de-activated and is bitter.

you should quit being petty and join a house.. if you people seriously care that much about rituals in sororties.. join a house and find out for yourself.. seriously.. get over yourselves.. this is so stupid.. maybe you would actually make some lifelong friends instead of spending hours on the computer looking for rituals so you can say you belong.. that is low

OBIC!! adpi Love

Anyone know anything about theta ritual/symbols?

CYPRESS (pine, yew): Evergreen tree emblematic of death; the Egyptians considered this evergreen symbolic of hope in an eternal life beyond the tomb.
The Evergreen trees in the Tri-Delta COA represents an eternal bond of sisterhood, friendship, and love.

Sigma Sigma Sigma? Alpha Omicron Pi?

Anyone? Spill!

Kappa Kappa Gamma - ritual *initiation*

CHI OMEGA - Death scene? are they really put in a coffin with a dead owl and "reborn"?

Kappa Alpha Theta

Kappa Kappa Gamma - "Key to the Kingdom of God"??? is that what KKG stands for? is that why the key is so important? Latin names for their "high preistesses"? What are the white and red rooms?

Secrets of Sigma Kappa Sorority?

Phi Mu?

wow, this is so sad to me. im an Alpha Phi and respect the traditions of my sorority and would NEVER reveal anything. Those are secrets for us to share with our sisterhood, to create a bond between us. I can believe you people would be so bitter that you'd just tell the world special things that have been traditions in your houses for decades. whoever has or is going to share APhi secrets, remember Martha Footcrow will haunt you for life now. You should respect your greek sisters/brothers everywhere and keep it a secret for their sake. and those of you who are asking for our secrets FUCK YOU! quit bein a little school boy bitch and realize you chose to be a GDI and should respect the fact that YOU gave up your chance to be in on any of these secrets so get a life and quit worrying about ours. honestly, quit this shit, its embarrassing. Love and AOE bitches

DOES NOT stand for "Keys to the Kingdom of God"...while you're at it, Delta Zeta MUST stand for "Daughters of Zeus", Delta Gamma "Daughters of God", Sigma Alpha Epsilon "Sons of Adam & Eve"...seriously if you're so stupid you think that they stand for something that obvious you don't deserve to know what they really mean.

Stands for Kalon K'Agathon Gnothi-Know the Beautiful and the Good Plato

I'm an active sister in KD, and even if I were to go inactive or quit I would never post my sororities secrets or ritual on the internet, or anywhere for that matter. I'm not going to be harsh like all of these other people who took this way too far. I feel bad for you. It sucks that you didn't get to have an amazing experience in greek life. Just because you didn't have a good experience doesn't mean that you should ruin the experience for other girls. By doing this, you're making it not as special for thousands of sisters around the country and world who hold ADPi and these rituals so close to their hearts.

and I wear my pants on my face

like all Greek women

"You could set sail with the anchor or the kite to fly, you could pick the rose or violet,. they'd like to be the best.. Well, the owl may hold the answer, but the ones who hold the key are the Angels who wear the Arrows, Pi Beta Phi."

First FRATERNITY for Women at Monmouth College in 1867.

Pi Phi Love!

Sigma Kappa = Sex Kittens

Ladies......We all know the rituals are pretty much the same with some differences and they meant something at the time but seriously, once you are a career person, then a wife ,then a mother, is that stuff really so important? I wouldn't reveal rituals, but I wouldn't get so stinking wigged out about it either! I would never reveal rituals to anyone except maybe my daughter....(being truthful), she is too free-thinking to ever go Greek. I know she would hate the whole idea and that's okay, it's who she is!

If you make a pledge, you keep it. That is a direct reflection of your character.

Hell yes

Usually those pledges include promises not to reveal ritual to anyone, including your daughter, mother, sister, etc. unless she is also a sorority sister. Many times they also include pledges to support the fraternity after graduation. You're right...make a pledge and keep it. But I am betting that's not what YOU are doing.

It is really important to the people that take their promises more seriously than you do. Some believe in those promises and make sure their word is gold. A sorority or a fraternity is a sisterhood or brotherhood to those who truly get it. Unfortunately, the truth is that probably 80% of Greeks DON'T get it. Revealing ritual to those outside the fraternity, regardless of who they are in relation to the sister or brother is not the action of a true XYZ brother or sister. It is the action of someone who does not hold that organization dear, though they promised to. My mother, for instance, is in a different sorority from me. She has never told me any ritual of her sorority, and I haven't told her any of mine. To do so is careless, and to imply that the organization is not important to you. It won't be to everyone, but why not respect those that do hold their organizations in high esteem? Why not just keep it to yourself for their sakes?

Revealing ritual because one is bitter, spiteful, or just destructive is despicable. I do not understand people who want to ruin something someone else puts so much time and effort into and loves so much. It's like watching my little brother spend eight hours building a sand castle as tall as he is...sunburnt, happy, tired, and proud, he then turns around to see another little boy jumping on it. My little brother cried because he was so proud of that castle that he put so much time into and he didn't even get to take a picture or show it to my mom before it was destroyed. What possesses someone to be so destructive, so mean, to strangers? That sandcastle story is what it feels like to know someone wants to hurt you, for no reason, by making something you hold so special, something you worked hard for and still work hard for, no longer special.

True ritual collectors do not do this. There are people who, because they have a strong interest in secret societies of all kinds study rituals of Greek organizations. These people, however, keep this information to themselves, or share it only with others of their kind. I would rather our rituals remain only among ourselves, but the people that study them for the beauty and interest that they give are a different breed. They are respectful. The ones that collect information for the sole purpose of publishing it are not, and are very mean, mean little people. They are the kids that jumped on sandcastles, pulled wings off of flies, spilled paint all over someone's art project, or made fun of the kid who wore glasses in first grade.

To those who had a bad experience in Greek life, I am sorry. Nothing in life is guaranteed to be good, and sometimes you can be hurt by the people you thought loved you the most. That is not a lesson limited to Greek life. These organizations have hundreds of thousands of members and mistakes WILL be made. That is not to demean anyone's situation, but it is true, mistakes will be made. Many times decisions are made by your peers, whose judgement is not that of an adult. And many times decisions are made by adults at a national or international level that do not know you. In both cases, the decision making body does not ALWAYS represent the whole. I understand being angry, but I do not understand hating the entire system. Not everyone is bad. In your whole chapter, were you not friends with one person? Is there not one person you care about enough not to hurt them?

To those who aren't Greek because you chose not to be, remember that you chose not to be. That is fine. It isn't for everyone. And that is not a condescending statement. It truly isn't for everyone. There are things each one of you is good at that I am not, and probably groups that you are in that I could never be in. Being Greek isn't the end-all. You know that because you chose not to be. But please remember that you made that choice, and do not hurt all Greeks because there might be a few that you find obnoxious. Obnoxious people exist in ALL walks of life.

To those who aren't Greek because you couldn't be, I agree that it's not fair. It is expensive. That makes it exclusionary by itself. Life isn't fair sometimes. That is something you will learn outside of college, if you haven't already learned it before. The cost will not change. National and international organizations need money, especially when there are houses to be kept. There are people who work to afford it, because they make it their priority, but it is hard on them. Maybe you don't want to work for it. I don't blame you. But there are things that could make you just as happy and maybe much happier than being Greek in an NPC or IFC sorority or fraternity. NPHC and minority as well as local Greek organizations usually have lower dues, because they do not support a house. NPHC sororities and minority sororities are often extremely devoted to community service, as well, over philanthropy. That is something to consider if you enjoy community service. They do expect lifetime participation, though. If you would like a sisterhood or brotherhood, but not under the terms of any of these organizations, then consider creating your own, under your own terms. Chances are, you will be able to find like minded people on your campus who will help. You could create a music sorority or fraternity, or one for art students, or one for english students, one for science students, one for math students, or one for anyone. There are also honor societies and clubs on campus that offer comraderie. If there have been Greeks that were snobby to you, I am sorry. I am not one of those and know that that's what being Greek isn't about...it isn't what being a good person about, whether you're independent or Greek, for that matter. I wish you the best in your endeavours.

I re read my post and in my last paragraph I feel like I implied that NPHC or minority sororities do not need money and are not national and never have houses. This is not the case. But to my understanding there are some that will keep you as a sister even when you can't pay dues. In many NPC organizations this cannot be done unless the woman is made an alum member. They are national organizations as well and some do have houses. However, NPC chapters are more likely to have houses than NPHC chapters, which makes a difference in dues. NPHC also have graduate chapters if you do not have the time or finances to participate in college. These organizations are generally focused more on community service and service to each other than NPC, for a few different reasons. I love being in an NPC sorority and I believe in my organization, but I do think that these organizations are very different from one another though they are all equally Greek. That is something to consider. If anyone has questions I will be glad to answer them or help you find someone who can better answer them. Click on my name to contact.

I think it's GREAT that you are still so very active in your organization. Good for you.

However in the 24 years since I pledged, my life has had many phases and many additions. I have also changed very much as a person since I was 18 years old.

I am sorry to have offended you by not making my sorority the center of my life, but my husband and children and church and career are just a little more important to me. That's just crazy-talk, I know (rolling eyes).

I am still in contact with some of my sisters, in fact my very best friend is my pledge sister! We have been in daily contact for 24 years and raised our families together (sometimes in different cities). But she is very dear to me and although our sorority brought us together, and I remember the days fondly, I will not place the more important people and obligations in my life on the back burner in favor of alum service and endless meetings and committees.

As for telling my daughter.....she has never asked, thinks Greeks are 'lame' to use her words, but if she DID, I might tell her what it was like, after all there were SEVERAL legacies in my pledge class that knew what the ritual was going to be like b/c their mom or aunt or sister told them. So we all kind of had some idea......

So yes, like I said, it's a 'secret', but good golly, people around the world are being systematically exterminated and are starving and some of you people are losing your minds over some information (or misinformation) being posted. I think it's time to put some perspective on the thing. That's all I was trying to say.

For those of who who are active or alum.....

You KNOW how harshly we talked about some rushees after rush parties. Seriously. We should be ashamed, but we ALL did it, and in my case, I got a bid and both of my roomates did not. I felt awkward all year because of that and because of some of the rude comments that were made.

So, it is exclusive and decision are not always made to rush women based on character....I mean plenty of fine, intelligent women ARE bid on, but many are not for some very shallow reasons.

There is some truth to the 'mean girls' rap sororities get......even back in my day!

I could care less about what the names stand for, I think that's rude to post. But the one sorority secret I've been dying to know is what exactly goes on behind closed doors for rush?

I've heard of slideshows of rushees a house really wants, ranking system (ie - rate a girl 1-4 and then anybody under a certain number gets cut), something about DG rating on "five points of a star" and Theta rating on "four points of a kite"...something about envelopes where chips are deposited by everybody who meets a girl (Green is good, red is bad, as soon as a girl gets a red chip she is out)...how are "first lists" created? As a fraternity member this process fascinates me because our voting systems are so laid back (simple 3/4ths vote on a guy with his face on a TV screen after a brief round-table discussion). Anybody wanna spill? (I don't really care about sensationalized "we cut girls if they weren't wearing Coach", I'm more interested in the process so to speak).

It is not necessary to devote 90% of your adult life to your organization to keep it a part of your life. Organizations need only so many volunteers. Not every city has an alum chapter. There are plenty of ways to stay devoted without doing these things. I do not like the fact that people pledge to be a sister for a life time, and then they are not. I believe in keeping promises, even if it means I will be very much inconvenienced.

Because others told their rituals does not mean it is ok. It is still a direct breaking of a promise. My mom did not tell me hers. I was a legacy times five. Good thing, too, since I ended up choosing a different sorority.

It is very possible for some people to handle job, family, and devotion to whatever public service they choose (I doubt you are single handedly trying to end world hunger. I am not either. I help causes however I am able.) and still be keepers of their promises. It IS a big deal to break a promise. You said it was, and then are defending, with your entire post, the breaking of them. Which is it? Do as I say, not as I do?

And please do not say ALL when you factually do not know that all greeks choose based on shallow reasons. I was fortunate to start my life as a Greek in a chapter where that was not the case. Women were truly picked on basis of what they could offer to the chapter in personality, grades, character. As a smaller chapter, sisterhood was extremely important, promises were taken seriously, and therefore choosing women for shallow reasons did not happen. That would have put the chapter in jeopardy. I transferred and was appalled at the way things were run at the new chapter. This is a reason for alums to stay involved and to repeatedly remind college women to choose their sisters based on quality of character. Only then will we have a Greek community of men and women who keep their promises and believe in their sisterhood.

To Anonymous, if you want that information, this is not the place to get it. This is not the place to post membership selection and I doubt anyone will do that.

Well seeing as everybody has posted what sororities names mean and their passwords this actually seems like the site where people WOULD do that.

Well, you were very fortunate to have such a different recruitment experience than mine. Since rush at my campus happened in the second month of school, we did not have grades to go on, like in your chapter. All we had was a few weeks of school and a few parties to sum up a woman's character.

Many of the women WERE chosen because of personality, but I know for a fact that my roomies were NOT chosen because of very shallow reasons. I still keep in touch with them and both are women of immense character and would have been a great asset to our organization. (Oddly, they don't harbor any ill-will and probably never even think about it LOL) I still think about the comments made about rushees and feel awful about some of the things said. Things like that don't come out of the mouths of noble or Godly women, myself included.

And I never said I was singlehandedly stampng out world hunger. How ridiculous. I said the world has some really big problems and some silly poster on a internet board is not exactly in the top ten. It's just funny you would even use the word 'jeopardy'....the Sudan is in jeopardy. See the inequity there?? So move on and don't get so upset. The world is much bigger than the chapter house. I didn't defend the breaking of promises, I just am trying to put it in it's place. I am glad your sisterhood is the most important thing in your life. Good for you. That's just not my priority, my family and church are. Being different is GOOD! We all get to make different life choices.

To anonymous: And, no, not things like "OMG, she had the worst hair, drop her" or "Her clothes are from WalMart", just other types of things about a woman's personality based on meeting them at 3 parties or on your hall. As for the process, not gonna tell, but it's not as cartoony as the movies make it.

Okay, my friend told me to look and this and read these posts b/c he knows I am greek.

I have a really funny and sad story to add.....the year I pledged, both the VP Moral (Irony) and the Chapter President got pregnant. But NO ONE freaked out or anything becasue they were going to marry their boyfriends, so it was okay. (heavy sarcasm). This was at a small Baptist college in the south, too!

Here's the twist; one of my pledge sisters got the boot b/c she 'made out' with the ex-boyfriend of an active and the active spread rumours around that she was a slut and was sleeping around. She got brought up before the alumni board on morality charges only on the words of this sister and some friends and was asked to give back all of her XXX letter items, even those she purchased herself! One of the senior sisters actually 'de-activated' over the whole thing, she was so disgusted about it.

I transferred schools the next year and did not re-afflilate with the chapter at my new school b/c I was so appalled by the whole experience, especially in light of the whole "morals" thing with two pregnant and unmarried officers!

wow, this is so sad to me. im an Alpha Phi and respect the traditions of my sorority and would NEVER reveal anything. Those are secrets for us to share with our sisterhood, to create a bond between us. I can believe you people would be so bitter that you'd just tell the world special things that have been traditions in your houses for decades. whoever has or is going to share APhi secrets, remember Martha Footcrow will haunt you for life now. You should respect your greek sisters/brothers everywhere and keep it a secret for their sake. and those of you who are asking for our secrets FUCK YOU! quit bein a little school boy bitch and realize you chose to be a GDI and should respect the fact that YOU gave up your chance to be in on any of these secrets so get a life and quit worrying about ours. honestly, quit this shit, its embarrassing. Love and AOE bitches


WOW! Pretty talk from a really classy sorority girl! NICE!

Actually our recruitment was conducted in the beginning of the school year and we had less time than yourself to know the girl. They were supposed to submit high school GPAs, and these factored into our choosing, as well as personality traits and character. You only have to ask the right questions to get the answers you need to show you whether or not a girl is likely to have no morals or to at least have some moral code for herself. Like I said, had we picked anyone for shallow reasons, our chapter could not continue as it did. I realized big schools do not choose in the same way, for the most part, and was not happy with this. It is the responsibility of alum, however, as adults, to at least TRY to help guide these women into making responsible choices. It will not always work, but it is no skin off our noses to try.

It is obvious that you didn't really get the experience you should have through your organization. You're right, it is bigger than the chapter house, and that is the entire point. It is as big as a national or international sisterhood. My question to you is why did you bring up the point that people should keep promises? You obviously have not. Unfortunately many like yourself do join these organizations because they want something to do in college and believe it is limited only to that. It is not. I wish that NPC would attempt to model themselves after NPHC organizations which very actively expect you to keep your promises and be a LIFETIME member...not because you had fun at formals in college, but because you were of service to your sisterhood or brotherhood. That is fine, but please do not ask others to do what you do not.

If you had believed in your organization you would see that it is indeed a big deal to leak such secrets and I am frequently upset by the people in the world today that do not understand the gravity of a promise made. Though I did not even once say that it is one of the world's top ten problems, and wouldn't, I said it was important. When trying to make an arguement, it is best to make an intelligent one...not resort to hyperbole and insert words into someone else's mouth.

I did not say that my organization was the most important thing in my life. My family is. But I guarantee that it is not hard to fit SOME amount of service to your organization into your life. I do. I promised I would and I do NOT believe in breaking promises because I am just "too busy".

So again, do not preach what you do not practice. You are not likely to be taken seriously.

To Anonymous...I think many of the people who choose to be malicious enough to post fraternity secrets are low lifes reading off of a written copy (not true scholarly ritual collectors, but amateurs with no respect), or are bitter and are spouting the little that they remember. It is unlikely that anyone has been able to or bothered to obtain written instructions for membership selection, and doubtful that they remember the entire process. In fact, not all sororities involve the entire chapter in all levels of membership selection. I think the specific methods should remain secret, as PNMs are generally scared enough as it is and do not need to be worrying about membership selection.

Just Me: Was it a legal deactivation? I would not think it would be so easy to deactivate a sister without checks and balances. Unfortunately that is what I mentioned earlier. Sometimes peers are making the decisions and as they are not adults (and of course, even adults make many mistakes in judgement as well) they can make some very immature decisions. I am sorry that happened to her and it does not sound fair. Sometimes though things go on behind the scene that the entire chapter is not privy to. I do not say this to excuse their actions but to point out that there could have been more involved in the process than you say. I hope so, because I do not think most organizations can deactivate THAT easily. It is usually a more involved process than that if it is done correctly. But again, that is the downside to collegians running the chapters. Sometimes they make stupid decisions for very petty and shallow reasons and hurt others or their entire organization. Hopefully those girls realize the injustice of their decision and have by now grown into more mature women. Revenge rarely works out for the best, in the long run.

I really don't remember, it's been a few years, I know she quit and she was termed 'de-activated'(creepy term)_She was still friends with some of the girls, but just said she souldn't be a part of it. She was a senior though and I was a freshman, so I don't know what else might have happened to make her want to leave, but she did say it was for my pledge sister's 'witch hunt' as she put it.

If you mean the girl that got kicked out, she was a pledge. She hadn't gone through I-week yet because of her GPA (a hold back). I think they could just do what they wanted basically. I know she had to go before the alum board and the chapter officers and there was a vote of actives. I did not vote to expell , by the way. Again, there may have been more too it, but I was a lil sis in the frat where she supposedly slept around and none of the guys had anything bad or smutty to say about her.If she was slutty they would have totally been making jokes. I don't think the grade thing was really a factor since there were a few that didn't make grades in my pledge class that fall.

And the active who started it all, I really can't say. I just found an old sister of mine on MySpace of all places and we are going to have lunch and catch up. I might have to ask whatever happened to everyone.

Golly, I had not thought about this all in a long time...thanks Bri! :)


TO THE OTHER POSTER about secrets:
I kind of get what you mean about it not being as important as global warming or something, but I do think it's sucky for someone to post secrets on a site. It looks like it mostly wasnt true, though if that helps people from getting mad.

Please stop raking me over the coals. I said I am glad you take it so seriously. I simply do not , end of story. I have changed so much since I was 18 and the most important thing is that I have become a Woman of Faith (no flames, I know how much people love us). My beliefs now are conflicted by some of the ideals and rituals of my initiation and basically my whole experience. Shoot, my dad is an ATO and a York Rite Mason....My mom was a TriDelt....I grew up with this ingrained in me. But I changed my life and guess what? It is my life to change. :)

That is part my my daughter's reasoning behind not wanting to Go Greek. She doesn't see it as complimentary to her being a young woman of faith. She plans to join in campus ministries and other oraganizations, especially lacrosse, but her decision is hers and not because I EVER told her anything about my experience, which was not as bad as you make it seem. I actually loved my time as a sister. It was very important to me at the time and for a few years after until we moved so many times and lost touch. It just seems trite now. (to me, I know it's not to you)

So please quit calling me a hypocrite and someone who doesn't honor her vows. I simply choose to serve my community in other ways. Just let it go. You aren't going to change my mind about it. Again, I am happy for your dedication to service. ( Sincerely, not being smart mouthed)

TO JUSTME: You can also catch up with sisters you may have lost touch with on www.greekchat.com. I saw it posted earlier on here.

I actually put a serious link on my name this time for anyone interested in community service in a world sense....

LMBO. I totally agree! I read that one earlier and was kind of shocked.

Obviously none of you have been through Delta Gamma initiation because none of your information is correct, and if you have been through, somebody made a big mistake in letting you into our sisterhood. Next time try, and remember your information correctly.

Well, obviously it isn't a sister b/c the info is wrong. A real ex-sister would probably post the real thing, not some made-up stuff. BTW, my niece is a DG at U of FL. Perfect for her b/c she loves to sail! Aren't y'all the anchors? :)

Yes we are the anchors. The anchor has a special meaning for all members of Delta Gamma. I love my sisters and definatly don't pay enough for them!!!!!

ITB!!!!!!!!

"All Women were created equal until 1847"

There really isn't a way around the fact that you posted that others should honor their promises though you choose not to. Trying to pass off sisterhood as silly is most surely in defiance of promises made. Trying to act as though the keeping of promises by service to the organization and service to the world community are mutually exclusive is very transparent. They are not. Many devoted women do both and, indeed, keeping promises and remaining a life long sister will in itself contribute to the philanthropy that the organization supports. It is black and white, whether or not you keep the promises.

As to your daughter, that is a different matter entirely. She has made no promises to a sisterhood and as you say probably will not, and if she will have trouble rationalizing participation in sisterhood with her current values then indeed she will be much happier finding fulfillment elsewhere. The only time I mentioned your daughter was to bring up the fact that sharing secrets with her would be a violation of a promise as well. I was not implying that you poisoned her against sisterhood. I am sure she can make her own decisions based upon her current beliefs. I did not imply that she did not want to Go Greek because she had been told she shouldn't. Some people will never want to and there is nothing wrong with that. The wrong is getting in and then breaking the promises made.

Just Me: Yes, that is probably different then, if she was a new member. It is frequently easier to terminate a new member than an initiated sister. This is good sometimes, but obviously the case that you mention shows the definite downfalls in that system. That is unfortunate that sisterhood was ruined for two women because of the revenge of a third.

I never said any of those things. I never said my sorority was silly, I said it was not as important as the other parts of my life anymore. I am very different in my 40's than I was at 18, thank the good Lord.

I never said I DID tell my daughter about my initiation. I said if she asked, it wasn't out of the realm of possibility I would answer her honestly about what I actually remembered. I never said I thought service to my GLO was silly.

I DID say my priority was to my husband, children and faith. I DID say the values didn't fit into my life anymore. I DID say it was wrong to publish information on the internet for anyone to see after promising to hold these covenants in you heart. I have revealed NOTHING and you are descending on me like some Harpy of mythological proportions!

YES, you pledge certain things upon initiation, but God's law is always the higher law. I never said one unkind word to you about your obvious zeal for honor to you sorority, in fact, I complimented you.

But PLEASE do not keep lambasting me for my decision to take my life on a different course. You make me feel like I am on the Sopranos or something and i am about to get whacked! I do not regret my decision to pledge, I regret mentioning it again after so many years because of women like you who have no tolerance for people who decide to go a different path. Some people do change with age. My goodness, you act as if I posted your orgs. secrets on the internet or something. All I said was, "put it in perspective". There are bigger issues out there that could use the frenetic energy you are putting into your attacks on me. Bad energy!

HOWEVER, I did ask you to quit singling me out. And you disregarded my polite request. Please find another crusade. If my sisters have no issue with me, what business is it of yours? Sorry to sound rude but you are a little scary in your zeal.

Once again, I ask POLITELY (if a little stongly) to stop your verbal onslaught aimed at me. Enough!

She loves it! I actually asked her if she went DG b/c of her love for sailing and she laughed and told me it was just a nice perk, but no! She is a surfer, too. :)

Again, you assume that I do nothing but serve my organization. My "frenetic energy" (how much energy does it take for you personally to type a message into a box on the computer? It does not take much of my energy, personally.) is placed into many different areas of my life. As I said, it is not so difficult to balance family AND service to organization AND other community service. I honor not only my sorority, but anything or individual to whom I make a promise. I leave you with this:

"If you make a pledge, you keep it. That is a direct reflection of your character."-Keystone

You have given us a reflection on your character.

Does the subject line leave any doubt as to what I am asking you to do?

I honored my pledge until it conflicted with my church which is even more sacred than (gasp) my sorority. I can't believe I let you make me so angry about having to defend my faith (yet again).

I DID make a pledge, but the promise my God asks of me is a greater one and should be honored above all.

I thought I explained this to you. My life is dedicated to my faith, and my GLO is not in sync with that. I pity the person who never evolves and finds a higher plain.

AND AGAIN......Leave me alone!!!! I choose my faith over my sorority. Why is that such a big deal to you? You don't even know me!!!! I don't try to talk you out of your choice to revere the worldy over the Godly, I respect your choices.....LEAVE ME ALONE YOU SCARY PERSON...Seriously!

...and Pi Beta Phi means 'True Tried Friends".

Actually, close but no cigar! ;)

I am a Pi Phi....And the letters' meaning is multi-layered and not so simple.

But say Hi to Faye and Jennifer Garner!

We're talking about handshakes and rituals like it's a national security breach???

HAHAHAHAHA! You greek geeks crack me up.

Well, I wouldn't say gay, b/c that's not nice to people with alternative lifestyles, but I do agree that the FREAKING OUT over semi-factual ritual revelations is just silly. Seriously! Although my LSU friend would fight to the death to have me burned at the stake for not being an active alum, so don't even go into the ritual leaks! You would think I killed thousand of innocents in the Sudan, oh wait! That's not me.....That would be .........

I retract my gay comment. I just find this to be so ridiculous that people are up in arms about some secret clubhouse stuff. I mean c'mon people, I completely understand the principle behind keeping oaths, but is the world really going to come to an end if the secret handshake is out???

Geesh. Yeah, that handshake will be soooooooo important later in life. [insert eye roll]

Who cares? You hardcore sisters are proud of your membership. Good for you. It's about the experience, not whether or not Betty Jo tells everyone which fingers touch or whatever.

Not everyone thinks that God and sister or brotherhoods are mutually exclusive. I choose not to discuss my religious preference on the internet. That is a personal choice/view within peoples' respective religions.

If it upsets you so very much, why come post again? What I objected to was your own quote about keeping promises and reflections on character and then your repeated contradictory statements/actions. You still have not addressed your previous statement and your subsequent contradictions.

And again, those disposed to the use of hyperbole show that they are incapable of any intelligent conversation. I have made no mention of burning anyone at the stake, nor of hurting anyone in any manner. I have not accused you of killing innocents. I have accused you only of breaking your promises after you yourself state that is a reflection on character...and then your refusal to discuss that contradiction.

To GreeksAreGay: Obviously, it is not a national security breach. No one is in peril for the sharing of secrets. It IS however personally hurtful to the true brothers and sisters (not necessarily those that are "paper") across the world. It is also a breaking of a promise, or a blatant malicious act. If you are not Greek, you do not understand. Even most Greeks, I have come to see, do not understand. This is not because we think we are "special" because we know something you don't, but because some of us have put so much of our lives into the organizations we love and believe in. That is what it is...a brotherhood or sisterhood that we love, and that is why it hurts.

....that because someone outed a bit of 'secret' information, that you are hurt by this????

It's like you are taking this as a personal attack. Again, it's the experience that you value. Who cares if someone know some silly clubhouse secrets, because no matter what you say, that's what it is.

A handshake and a ritual does not make the organization. The Greek system is a social organization, it's not a way of life. Sure it may teach you some valuable lessons, as does any worthwhile social organization.

It's the members that make up the Greek system, not the other way around.

You said, "This is not because we think we are "special" because we know something you don't, but because some of us have put so much of our lives into the organizations we love and believe in."

So how does somebody telling a secret nullify the positive experience that you value?

Hyperbole? Didn't you use the word "jeopardy" about the revelation of rituals? Did you look up the meaning of the word before using it? I think a PP called you on it! It is SO not appropriate used that way.

I agree God and GLOs are not mutually exclusive, but in my case, I was asked to make vows at 18 that now compromise my commitment to my faith as a mature adult. And I post again because this is an open site and I am entitled to post, even though I have asked you both publicly and privately to stop subjugating me to scrutiny of your Greek-blinded loyalty.

I am not contradicting myself, I am simply a woman who has matured and changed. Vows are indeed to be honored, and I have not revealed ANYTHING about my initiation. Why can't you get that through your head? I haven't broken any promise, other than perhaps alum service, and only because it conflicts with my faith now.

End of story. You need to focus on something else. You may notice that I post here, but am able to do so in a way that does not single out an individual and repeatedly ask them the same stinking question over and over expecting a different answer.....I post to lots of other posts and do not feel the need to keep nipping at the heels of a person I don't even know. Again, in private and in public, STOP!. There are many decaf varieties just as tasty as the real thing.

Isn't that the definition of insanity? "Doing the same thing over and voer again, expecting a differnt result"? (paraphrase)

I am hurt by this. The persons who post this information fall into one of these categories:
1. Devients who enjoy being malicious for the joy they get out of it.
2. Embittered ex-Greeks who chose not to keep their promises and not to take their greivances up with the individuals responsible. It is almost always misguided individuals who make bad choices that ruin someone else's experience...not all sisters or brothers across the country.
3. Greeks who see no value in their promises.

The problem is, because you are not Greek, you do not understand that they are not "silly clubhouse secrets". The true brotherhood and sisterhoods are not clubhouses. The secrets are what the founders created to make the organization special. You get what you put into your organization, and those that view it purely as a social club do not put much into it. Sisterhood and brotherhood are words that imply family. Indeed, that's what true sisters and brothers are. They are second families. They can never replace a true family, obviously, but they are the second family. Those that believe that and view them as such understand why the secrets, especially the meanings behind letters, or the secret mottos are important. Revelation of these secrets implies an insincerity in promises made or malicious intent.

It does not nullify the experience. It does hurt those of us that love our organizations. It is a personal affront. I never said it nullified the experience, if you read more carefully.

Thank you! That is what I have wasted a brace of posts trying to explain! It doesn't take anything from my moral fiber that I think there are more pressing issues on this planet than whether someone knows what I.C. Sorosis really stands for.

LSU girl is up in arms that I don't perform any alumni service. It isn't even about revealing secrets. Which I haven't done, but truly, am not all panty-twisted about if someone should! I have kids, a husband, a LIFE! It won't won't save the life of one AIDS victim or one abused child if someone figures out the ritual of my GLO.

Really! Move on! Help another person! It's not a big deal is all I am trying to say. Yeah, it's not very nice for someone to post our ritual on the net but did your baby die? Did your house burn down? Are you dying of AIDS? If any of those things happen, give me a call. Because I have gone through everything except AIDS, which I volunteer for the relief of.

Talk about self-absorbed. Good Lord. In the nicest way I can put it, SHUT UP. Go to your chapter house and tell them about the mean old people who have interest other than the sisterhood.. I am so sick of you and I am mad at myself for being so mean to you. It isn't Christian to be so nasty. I am really mad, or I wouldn't speak so harshly. Not an excuse though. I will pray that you find the right path, LSU, and I will pray that other folks take the path that their consciences lead them to take.

But stop judging me and anyone else. "Let not ye judge, lest ye be judged"

I am not "up in arms". Again, hyperbole does not help you. I have repeatedly pointed out that you yourself said breaking of promises says something about character, and then you have broken them. You REFUSE to address this.

Do not bother to tell me what to do. You have no idea what service I do besides that which I do for my organization. I am not interested in playing who-has-the-worst-problems.

Unfortunately I cannot go back to my chapter house, as I am one of the old people and do not live anywhere near it. Do not bother praying for me. As I explained when you took the vast liberty of emailing me, I find it offensive.

Again, you end your post with advice that you yourself will not take. Now you have two statements to address, or would you simply like to say "Do as I say not as I do" to avoid the explinations?

"Yes we are the anchors. The anchor has a special meaning for all members of Delta Gamma. I love my sisters and definatly don't pay enough for them!!!!!"

The anchor is an open symbol. It also *traditionally* stands for Hope, so even if the DG ritual kept it secret, it wouldn't be hard to figure out.

To all those who keep saying all rituals are basically the same, you have a point, but there are a few that stand out. Theta is my personal favorite, Sigma is good as well, and Gamma Phi Beta is absolutely unique from every other ritual.

Are you ZTA? I ask only because of your name. I'm a Zeta. :)

When you say that Gamma Phi is unique, do you think it is unique in a good way or a bad one? What do the letters stand for? And why did they pick such ugly colors? Brown and Brown? Yuck.

I am not *technically* a zta :)

I don't know if it's possible to be unique in a bad way, that's certainly not what I meant. I just meant the process or form that their ritual takes, although it shares many of the common elements with most rituals, is not something I have seen in any other rituals I have read. Hard to explain without giving away any secrets.
The brown and brown become beautiful when you learn their meaning.
Give me your e-mail address and I will contact you about starting your ritual collection.

could you email me at theset74@gmail.com you appear as if you have a few GLO rituals, if so we may be able to help each other out. I am nearing 100 different rituals (mostly the bigger orgs) and am always interested in meeting new people who share my idea of reading them and appreciating them for their beauty.

could you email me at theset74@gmail.com you appear as if you have a few GLO rituals, if so we may be able to help each other out. I am nearing 100 different rituals (mostly the bigger orgs) and am always interested in meeting new people who share my idea of reading them and appreciating them for their beauty.

I am a member of a greek organization and respect the rituals. I know some but would never share with the general public. I would like to collect rituals but not for any malicious purpose. I think they are beautiful and meaningful. my email is texasbelle19@yahoo.com

Yowsa honey, you seriously need to refocus your energy into something more productive.

I mean there's brand loyalty and then there's obsessive behavior. You're teetering baby. Teetering.

You said, "Those that believe that and view them as such understand why the secrets, especially the meanings behind letters, or the secret mottos are important. Revelation of these secrets implies an insincerity in promises made or malicious intent."

Actually revelation of those secrets can also imply that someone understands that silly handshakes and goofy words, while fun to do in college...are not really important in the grand scheme of life. While I haven't read all of your posts, you may still be fresh out of college... I'm hoping that you see the bigger picture in life.

Really, it's just a handshake. It'll be ok. Let it go.

I am a 45 year old woman. I fail to understand why you are the second person I have encountered here that seems to think that taking five minutes maybe twice a day to write something on the internet means that I do nothing else. I have about 8 million things to do during the day and this does not consume much time at all. Do not bother with the condescending attitude. I am probably older than yourself and either way do not need your advice.

You are right, you obviously haven't read all my posts. You are not getting what I have been talking about. One, that the secrets are important to the organization. They are. Those that are not paper Greeks know and understand this. So yes, it is important not to reveal them on a message board. It is malicious and hurtful. Two, I have objected to the hypocritical statements made and the breaking of promises. The people that reveal these secrets are doing something hurtful to many people across the country, and no, they are not silly secrets just for college. Unforunately, many Greeks are like yourself and are not productive ones because they join to party and get drunk. It has been a problem since I was there, I know, and will probably always be one.

I got the bigger picture about a decade and a half ago. What about you, "honey"?

what do you mean by "paper Greeks"?

Actually, you're younger. That's even more scary that a woman in her mid-40s still thinks that handshakes and rituals are something to be held SACRED. It's just supposed to be fun, not held as some cult-like gospel secret.

Me condescending? Hello pot, let me introduce you to kettle.

And I'm quite a productive member of society. Didn't need a secret handshake either.

Love you. Mean it.

People who go join GLOs that still practice hazing refer to those who don't haze as "paper Greeks". I think the term stems from the fact that "paper Greeks" go through all the official processes of pledging (learning history, passing a national test, basically, stuff that can be learned on paper) without having to endure stupid tests of sincerity or loyalty or whatever that hazing is supposed to provide.

In all actuality, and I can speak only for NPC sororities, all groups are considered "paper GReeks" by those standards anymore. Hazing is illegal. Missmissyleelee evidently went to LSU during a time when hazing was acceptable. So, she sees todays Greeks as less deserving than those who went Greek back in her day. It's basically a term she uses as an insult to make her old saggy self seem more important.

Paper members is actually a term I have heard from NPHC Greeks. I have adopted it. It was explained to me that it means members who do not necessarily do anything for the organization, so they are members on "paper" but not in action.

Greeks are Silly: It is not supposed to just be fun. That's what you do not understand, either because you were never Greek, or you never took it seriously in the first place. If you hold yourself to your promises, and believe in honesty, you pledge to be a loyal member and support your brothers or sisters...and not just for four years. A sisterhood is not a social club, nor an excuse to get drunk and laid. Unfortunately, many treat it in this manner. It may seem trivial to you, but there is more to it than the physical handshake, or the saying of a password. It is important to many people and it means a lot to them. Therefore it is malicious to ruin that for them. I would hesitate to really mean that they are sacred, because that seems sacreligious, but on the other hand, they are "sacred" in that they are supposed to mean something to members.

A handshake does not make you anything. I am a productive member of society and would be regardless of affiliation, but believe that my affiliation has helped me understand the importance of sisterhood, promises, and loyalty, values that you obviously missed out on.

Actually, that was not how it was explained to me at all. See my above post as to the meaning I was given (which involved participation in the organization, not hazing). Fortunately, I went through my pledge period at a chapter that did not haze. Affiliating at a different school opened my eyes, though. I sincerely hope hazing is not as prevelant as it used to be. I see Greeks who do not keep their promises as less deserving of the benefits of their organizations, regardless of their age.

And honey, don't call your elders saggy. Though I'm not yet, one day I will be. And you will be too. :)

Quote: "...but believe that my affiliation has helped me understand the importance of sisterhood, promises, and loyalty, values that you obviously missed out on."

I'm a military officer. Don't begin to suggest I don't know anything about promises, loyalty and values. I'm not bad mouthing the whole Greek system and yes, I agree MOST greeks are in it for the partying. I'll give you that one.

The point that I (and maybe Keystone as well) was trying to make, is that divulging the secret handshakes and rituals is NOT something to get so distraught over. You are overreacting to this.

You learned some valuable lessons from your greek experience. Great!
You networked with some good people. Super!
You became a member of a 2nd family. Way to go!

But you're still getting bent out of shape about a stupid handshake and ritual. I never said you didn't get anything valuable out of the greek system. You even said it yourself: A handshake does not make you anything.

Exactly. So quit making it such a big deal.

AuburnRocks: Actually I don't get the impression LSU is saggy. ;-)

That I am overreacting, but then you keep saying that ritual is stupid. I do not think my sorority's ritual is stupid. It is not about the motions. It is about what it means. Therefore, your statement that I am over reacting is an opinion based on nothing.

It is a big deal to me, because the ritual of my sorority is. So I am not over reacting. In your OPINION I am, but then again, you obviously have no understanding whatsoever of what it is to be Greek. So you have no idea why it's a big deal.

Ok. Maybe you aren't saggy yet. I shouldn't have called you that. You are old tho.

Oh, and don't call me honey. Makes me wanna call you Grandma. You're probably closer to Grandma status than I am to honey-status.

And one last thing, thanks for clearing up the paper thing. Even tho there are some differences between what I thought and what you said, the gist of it is that people who aren't "paper" don't think those who are "paper" deserve to be Greek.

War Eagle!

What sorority were you in again?

One day you will be my age and then you won't feel 45 is very old. :) You're right, I don't believe that those who do not take promises seriously deserve to be Greek, so that is what I mean when I refer to paper members. They are the people who send in a check for dues and that is all. And I do not feel the need to tell anyone here what sorority I am in due to the individuals that post secret information. If it turns up, it won't be because of me. It is not one that has been discussed.

So what makes the Gamma Phi Beta ritual so unique?

How about the one for Alpha Omicron Pi?

LSUGreek, coming from somebody who AGREES with you (in that I think rituals mean a lot and they shouldn't be shared) and also coming from a sorority whose ritual was attempted to be shared (truthful or not doesn't matter, the intentions were the same)...please calm down. You are coming off as rude, overbearing and condescending. I understand where you are coming from, really I do. Except your forceful tone and rude comments are stirring up trouble where it really does not need to be. As a representative from the Greek community you are not doing our side any favors. You are overreacting to everything that they are saying and the only reason they are saying such outlandish things is you've been pushing them so unecessarily hard! Please, for all of us Greeks, calm down and convey your opinions in a less aggressive way.

Someone out here needs to be agressive and standd their ground. Being Greek isn't about nothing but fun. It is hard work and PNMs don't get that impression. I didn't when I was a rushee. It was only afterwards that I understood. It is why people like this character calling ritual "stupid" think that it is stupid. They do not understand and think that being a sister or brother is about being in a cute little club. I am unconcerened about how I am coming off. I strongly believe that people who do not keep promises should not be Greek and I firmly believe that the people calling our rituals stupid do not know what they are talking about and should not voice opinions on subjects of which they are so ignorant.

Ever heard the saying "Don't judge someone until you have walked a mile in their shoes?"

Unless you have been an initiated active member of a sorority or fraternity you have no business telling those of us who are what we can be offended about and what we cannot be offended about. Those meanings are sacred to us. They were meant to be secret because they are what bind us together. They are not public knowledge because they are sacred members only. You have no idea what the individual meanings are behind the password colors or rituals, and you have no appreciation for them. Keep your negative comments about rituals to yourself, last time i checked no one was asking you to participate in them.

To the person who asked about AOII: The ritual is very simple, but also beautifully written. It is one of my favorites.

Let me try to make sense of this situation. To those who are not Greek, I'm not sure you truly understand WHY we get angry.

When I was a "new member" (that's PC talk for pledge, essentially) of my fabulous sorority Delta Gamma we had a six-week long New Member Period where we would learn the history of our sorority. The other sororities on campus did this as well. Sure, there were "fun" aspects to the New Member Period, (ie - sleepovers in the house, Big Sis/Lil Sis week, social events with fraternity pledge classes, etc) but it was also serious because we learned all about the history and meanings of our founders, our specific chapter, the sorority as a whole, the NPC Council, etc.

During initiation the symbols and colors we had heard about all through our member period were given new meaning (and in a beautiful way, I might add). Yes, it's very likely that many sorority rituals are similar, but it's the ties to your own specific organization that are so important. While it may sound ridiculous for somebody outside of the Greek system to hear people up-in-arms when people say, "Oh, XXX is Kappa Alpha Theta's closed motto and the Lyre means this to Alpha Chi Omegas" you have not been through the same process we have. We have spent so much time studying our history and bonding with our sisters that these things become so meaningful.

Sorority life is great. It really is. The stupid hazing rumors about New Member Education Periods are 99.99% untrue across the country (hell, the only way we could have possibly been hazed was being loaded with so many presents from our big sisters that we could barely carry them!). You create bonds with sisters who you share so much in common with. That is why we are angry. Realistically, a handshake is only a handshake until you spend the 6-8 weeks learning the building blocks for WHY the handshake is that way. If you just come to a site and see randomly what a password is you miss the entire leadup (historically and culturally) for why that password might have been relevant to the founders, and therefore, the sorority as a whole.

I currently study fraternity/sorority/society rituals. I have about 90 different ones, If anyone here wants to trade, or talk about societies, symbolism, and such I can be reached through cjmelfa@gmail.com.

I am a DG and i LOVE it!

ITB!

Haha you know it!!!

D-E-LTA Delta D-E-LTA
G-A-Double MA Gamma G-A-Double MA
We are Delta Gamma's
We wear bronze pink and blue
We are Delta Gamma's
Don't you wanna be a DG too?

Ok, when I commented about a "stupid" ritual, I was focusing primarily on the over the top reaction of this big "secret" (ooooooh), not on the actual event itself. I'm sure the ritual was beautiful, meaningful, whatever.

You said: Unless you have been an initiated active member of a sorority or fraternity you have no business telling those of us who are what we can be offended about and what we cannot be offended about.

It's a free country, you can be offended by whatever you want to. (by the way, you can thank your military member for that privilege) and in that same token, I have the right to give my opinion. (nice how that works, eh?)

You said: Those meanings are sacred to us. They were meant to be secret because they are what bind us together.

Wow...that's a sad state of affairs if secret rituals and handshake is what binds you together.

You said: They are not public knowledge because they are sacred members only. You have no idea what the individual meanings are behind the password colors or rituals, and you have no appreciation for them.

You're right, I don't know the individual meanings behind the secret crap. How bout you enlighten the rest of us? By the way, the armed forces uses all kinds of symbology (colors, crests, icons, etc) so I know a thing or two about the topic. But guess what? We're proud of it openly. We don't hide our heritage, and you can bet your ass our brotherhood/sisterhood is just as strong or stronger than any greek organization.

I'm not saying symbols shouldn't be meaningful to a greek organization, but it most certainly doesn't have to be a SECRET in order for it to have meaning, cupcake.

You said: Keep your negative comments about rituals to yourself, last time i checked no one was asking you to participate in them.

Again, free country. You can thank the military for that.

:)

Breeds hatred, or in this case, just an obnoxious poster. But rest assured, we are simply dealing with ignorance.

You have no leg to stand upon to compare the military and Greek letter organizations. Military men and women by default will have to have very real bonds as they are, or know it's possible that they will be, in mortal danger. Joining the military and joining a sorority and fraternity are not the same. Though individuals SHOULD honor their word equally in every aspect of their lives, penalties for not respecting their fellows or breaking their promises in the military result in legal trouble or death. Penalties in a sorority and fraternity are very minimal, as usually the individual is removed, but if they did not love their organization in the first place, chances are that they will not view this as a harsh punishment. Civilians do not face the same stress. Which is way GLOs have and always will have much deadweight.

You do not know what you're talking about, and that is why no one is bothering to take your "point". Like another individual said, if you've walked a mile in someone else's shoes....

But you have not.

Last time I checked I never said anything about the military. My boyfriend is in the infantry, and I know first hand the relationships he has made, and greatly appreciate the accomplishments our military has made.

The point I, and others, are making is that unless you are an active initiated member of a soorority or a fraternity you really have no place judging our rituals. They have a meaning to us, not you, that is why you do not know them.

Each member of a sorority is hand picked out of a huge group of girls, you are picked according to how you will fit into the group of girls that make up your chapter and sorority as a whole. That is another reason our sorority is so special to us, because they picked us to be a part of their sorority as a whole.

When you start comparing the military to Greek organizations you are comparing apples and oranges. The brotherhood/sisterhood formed in the military is completly different than Greek organizations, and has no similaritites.

I am not saying anything about the military, and neither has anyone else who has posted on this site. we are just saying that you have no business judging our rituals and meanings becuase you are not a part of them.

p.s. keep the petnames to yourself

Delta Gamma is a rotten organization. They dirty rush. Dirty colonize, rather. Promising bids to women who are unfamiliar with Panhellenic recruitment rules, only to give them horrible notecards basically saying "Thanks for your interest in Delta Gamma, but no." Hugs, kisses, cream roses, lots of "you will make a fantastic charter member" hoo ha, and then, whammo, no bid.

"Do good." Right.

All you Delta Gamma's, Delta Gamma
We Love You!
And to Delta Gamma, Delta Gamma
We'll be true
Hi-Lo, everywhere we go
Delta Gamma we depend
True to Delta Gamma,
We're sisters to the end,
True to Delta Gamma,
We're sisters to the
Delta, Delta Gamma
Delta, Delta Gamma
sisters to the
DELTA, DELTA GAMMA!!!!!

I am glad that you like Zeta.

Obviously you would not have fit into Delta Gamma

And what campus did this take place on? Cause at my campus we are one of the only houses that DOES NOT dirty rush (and we still got 95% of the girls on our first list). DG is by no means a "rotten organization", its one of the strongest nationwide (although ZTA is a fantastic sorority as well).

When did I say you said anything about the military??? You rant and rave about someone outing a silly little secret and claiming that the secrecy is what is so important to the organization and the "meaning" behind it all.

Bullshit. My point about the military using symbology was that SECRECY is not required for symbology to have "special" meaning and therefore no need in getting your panties twisted in a knot.

I'm not saying the military is a better organization. I'm also not saying that your handshakes/rituals shouldn't have any meaning to you.

I'm saying blowing a gasket about someone outing the secret is immature.

Like I've said before, it's a handshake/code word/whatever. It's not the end of the world ladies, nor the end of your sorority. Get over it.

Obnoxious poster? If you're suggesting that's me, I'd say I'm in good company. Hell, even people on your side are saying you're rude, overbearing and condescending.

I love it how when someone disagrees with you, they aren't qualified to give an opinion.

So using the logic from the two of you: If neither of you has been a member of the armed forces, you are not qualified to say whether or not the relationships in the military are similar to the greek community. Please refrain from any discussion pertaining to the military as neither of you are qualified to form an opinion.

HAHAHAAHA! You're cracking me up!

Don't waste your time with these two. Most GLOs aren't brainwashed sheep who take trivial matters waaaaaaaaaay too seriously.

If we are not qualified to talk about militaty matters, then you are definatly not qualified to talk about Greek Relationships, as you are not a part of them.

It is common knowledge among Greeks that those who are not a part of it, will never understand our bonds. You are a perfect example of why we think this.

TO AXObelle: I take pride in my sorority and what it means to myself and the thousands of people our philantropy helps every year. My sisters are my best friends, and I treasure all the meanings and proceedings of my sorority.

"So using the logic from the two of you: If neither of you has been a member of the armed forces, you are not qualified to say whether or not the relationships in the military are similar to the greek community. Please refrain from any discussion pertaining to the military as neither of you are qualified to form an opinion."

I do believe you are the one who first compared military and Greek organizations. I said that they are like comparing apples to oranges, no comparison at all.

See "i love greek life"'s last post. You did indeed begin the comparison between the millitary and Greek organizations. Of course, you don't know whether or not either of us has been a member of the armed forces. You brought it up, ya know. They are correct, there is no comparison between a military instituation and a Greek letter organization. It is indeed apples and oranges. I would say apples and watermelons.

To AXObelle: Alpha Chi Omega is such a great organization. I am sorry that you do not take it seriously. It is, like I keep saying, a problem that has and probably always will, plague all brother and sisterhoods. One does not have to be a "sheep" to have a strong moral code in regards to honoring one's word. I am, funnily enough, one of the least sheeple like of my friends. Maybe it's our age or maybe it's just the people I am friends with.

I hope that one day you will indeed take your sorority seriously. It merits that much respect. Those who do not do not deserve it.

Why would you post DG's meanings? You bitch! This means so much to people why would you take that away from us. I hope your death is slow and painful.

I totally agree with the comments you made re: putting it into perspective.

LSU called alums like me 'paper' and maybe that's true. Yes, I write my checks, yes, I go to the occasional function, and still support my philanthropy (which is especially dear to my heart). But I do not stay in constant contact with my sisters (except one) and I do not serve on any alum boards, etc. It's just not a part of my life that fits in with most of what I believe now.

I am allowed an opinion, though, (contrary to what LSU might think) and I just think that there will always be people who are trying to 'out' secrets, or disgruntled ex-members who spill it for revenge. It doesn't change the bond made in sisterhood. I think freaking out over it gives it unnecessary credence. Just ignore it, and move on. They can't hurt you unless you let them.

LSU has read me the riot act over my lack of post-grad service, whatever. Call me 'paper' (that is the silliest thing I have heard BTW). I don't care. I have my priorities, and am a woman of principles and character, even though she has tried in insinuate otherwise.

Sharing secrets is not okay, I never said it was and have not done so myself. But it isn't the end of life as we know it. That's all I was trying to say. No one is gonna die over it.

Your refusal to address both comments that I pointed out to you, that breaking promises is a reflection of character (yet you said you would and do), and that others shouldn't judge (and yet you did, repeatedly) makes your credibility nil. I am also interested to see that this is the first time you have mentioned any attention to your sorority whatsoever. I was repeatedly told before that it no longer fit into your current values, because of religion. Though I have explained why I do not understand sororities and religion are mutually exclusive to you, it would be a different situation if you did not judge others for breaking their promises. You admitted to not serving your sorority at all before, and breaking promises because of that...though your story has now changed, either way, are you an exception to the rule...no one can judge you or see that as a reflection on your character?

The refusal to address your statements says so much about you, as does your repeated use of hyperbole. Credibility does not come with that nor with not being able to back up one's own words.

I did not say I EVER told any secrets. I never have. I do NOT serve my GLO in any 'real' capacity according to you, that's true. I never said I did. I don't make it part of my everyday life. Like you said, I am a 'paper Greek'.

I have addressed every foaming-at-the-mouth 'question' you have hurled at me and never once has my story changed. Of COURSE sororites and religion are not mutually exclusive, I never said they were. I said they were a conflict for me personally, but not that they were evil, or unGodly. Get the thing here, PERSONALLY! FOR ME!! Not you , or anyone else...I don't judge, it's not my job.

I said spilling secrets was not good. And I have not done that. I said IF my daughter asked me one day, I MIGHT tell her. I have never uttered a word about my I-week to anyone. I have nieces in sororities right now, and I think it's a great thing. They are having the times of their lives and are very excited about launching their bonds in sisterhood. It was their CHOICE to make. They made it. I am pleased for them. I don't judge anyone.

You keep 'screaming' (metaphorically, of course) at me to 'answer the questions'. But I have said everything over and over again and it's still the same. You freaking out on me isn't going to change. I know, in you world, the fact that I do not 'serve' is heinous and unforgivable as well as hypocritical, since I said people should keep their promises.

Have you kept every promise you ever made in your entire life? I truly doubt it. I don't have to answer to you or anyone else for that matter, but a higher power. And lady, that ain't you!

And you LOVE the word 'hyperbole'. Do you have one of those little word-a-day calendars on your desk? Time to rip the page. I hear they have a whole bunch of words.

I keep meaning to post about this nasty issue, too. But somehow keep getting sidetracked...

I am MANY years out.....we're talking mid-eighties and I never experienced any hazing at ALL! The worst thing ever done to me was I was awakened in the middle of the night (along with other pledges, and freaking out my roomies!), taken outside in my jammies into an active's car and we were all driven out to the lake for a midnight picnic. I was pretty tired the next day, but it was so much fun!

And this was before the 'crackdowns' on that sort of thing.

As for the post about the girl (pledge) who got kicked out by rumors from a jealous active, I did see some kind of snubbing of some pledges for whatever reason, but no more than how girls that age just are.

Mine was a really small chapter at a really small school. My pledge class was 28 and it was a record for the chapter! So maybe that had something to do with it. I can't say what happens at bigger schools or other GLOs.

ALSO, I have heard from other sources that 'hazing' now can consist of such things as having to carry your pledge manual around 24/7, or making all pledges eat at the same table. And as TrojanDG said, ya gotta say 'new members' now. See, I was just a pledge! LOL!

Since you seem to either have extremely unfortunate issues with either reading comprehension or short term memory loss, I will help you out, to be nice.

"If you make a pledge, you keep it. That is a direct reflection of your character."
That is your own statement. Now, is it a reflection on everyone else's character but yours? Or will you humble yourself enough to become a mere mortal and include yourself in that statement?

"But stop judging me and anyone else. "Let not ye judge, lest ye be judged"

"I am glad your sisterhood is the most important thing in your life. Good for you. That's just not my priority, my family and church are. Being different is GOOD! We all get to make different life choices.

I have revealed NOTHING and you are descending on me like some Harpy of mythological proportions!

Sorry to sound rude but you are a little scary in your zeal.

LEAVE ME ALONE YOU CRAZY STALKER

Although my LSU friend would fight to the death to have me burned at the stake for not being an active alum

Talk about self-absorbed.

I will pray that you find the right path, LSU"





The problem is making statements like that and then not backing them up reflects badly on yourself and really shoots your credibility into the ground.


You said something very different from simply stating that people should keep their promsies. You said it is a reflection on their character and then are so upset when someone calls you out and, essentially, takes your word and points out the reflection on your character. Which is it? If it is truly a reflection of their character, then accept that you will be judged.

As for telling others not to judge, you have made assumptions about me that I have pointed out here, and more when you took what I called the vast liberty of emailing me at my personal address. Do not expect me to, first, adhere to YOUR personal beliefs, regardless of whether or not I share them (because you do not know), and second, most certainly do not expect me to adhere to YOUR beliefs when you yourself cannot.

The rest of your post isn't worth addressing...you really cannot be taken seriously currently...you have not so cleverly skirted the quotes several times. Here they are for you, in this post.

Quote: "...for while there are deeper and holier relations than that of...Pi Beta Phi, still nothing purer or lovelier graces the name of friendship."

-Libbie Brook Gaddis, youngest of the Founding Sisters of Pi Beta Phi Fraternity for Women.

Even the founders realized that while friendship and sisterhood were essential, that there were much higher callings.

I just thought it interesting and wanted to pass along!

On the contrary, I take my sorority very seriously. It's your over-the-top behavior that I don't take seriously. And geez, you two keep harping on Greeks are Silly's military comment.

Go back and READ. He's not comparing the military to sororities, he's giving an example based on his experience that symbology doesn't have to be a SECRET to have meaning to the organization and the people of said organization.

Keystone: LOL! It's amazing how many times you can point things out to her and it just doesn't sink in.

[Today's program is brought to you by the word: Hyperbole]

;-)

If you take it seriously, you take ritual seriously as well.

He used the military as a reason to demean ritual. Military v. GLOs is ridiculous.

It's amazing how many times Keystone is asked to address her previous quotes and just can't bring herself to do it.

Keystone, I have a great story to tell you about working with youth through an outreach, and dealing with a clique in the group who had a strong hatred of religion, specifically Christianity and acted out, badly, towards the loudly Christian kids in the larger group. They said it was because those people and the adults in their lives were hypocritical, so they did not see the point (to greatly simplify it). Of course, there is more to tell, but as you cannot even address your own words, you'll certainly not listen to mine. It's a shame, though. It's the kind of thing everyone who straps the label Christian to themselves should keep in mind.

What you aren't seeing is that if you were able to revise your statments (or admit your wrong in accordance with them), you would actually have a very valid leg to stand upon. But as it is now, you seem to think that you make the rules...and they apply to everyone...but you.

I still stand by everything I said and not one statement contradicts the other.

I never asked you at all to follow my beliefs, I only asked you to stop shoving your zealotry down the throats of others, and having said that, there are several other 'non-paper' Greeks who think you are a bit off your rocker, too!

The only thing I said in regard to my religion was that it was at odds with the promises I made in my GLO 20-something years ago, and I answer to a higher power now, as did one of my founders. (just posted) I also said I would pray for you. I pray for people every day who I feel are in a sad or hurtful place. It's not an affront, it's a blessing to have people care about you. It's gotten me through the toughest times of my life! Christians get accused all of the time of shoving their beliefs down the throats of others , but while you say you find my faith "offensive", you criticize and reprimand anoyone who doesn't adhere to you fanantical ideal of what sisterhood entails.

I am a Christian, sure. But I believe "live and let live". I pray every day that people find their right path, and am happy for them when they find it. Not everyone can take the same path. There isn't room.

The only thing I DO regret is resorting to mean names like 'crazy stalker', et al, but you were bombarding me with posts and getting scarier and scarier by the post. I wanted (and still want) you to stop posting to me. There are lost of other people who disagree with you, pick one of them!

No one is judging you, but there are a few of us who think you may have lost a little reason........Getting all inflammatory is not the way to make your point.

As for the email I sent, you posted that anyone with questions could email you through your link, and all I said in my email was to PLEASE, for the love of Pete, stop posting stuff to me....it was clogging up the thread. That's all. You put your email up there and told people they could contact you. And then got your panties in a twist when I did just that . And still keep posting longwinded McCarthian diatribe directed at me.

It's a little scary, lady. Or maybe a lot.

Seriously! I just shot Diet Coke out of my nose! LOL!

On another subject, my younger daughter came in while I was scrolling through the previous posts and saw the one where I refer to I.C. Sorosis and asked what that was. I told her it was the pre-Greek name of my GLO and she said, seriously, "Isn't Sorosis a disease of the liver?" LMBO!!! She is 9, by the way!

Wow! I write really well! Thanks for the compendium, I might copy and paste that to my blog. It is interesting to see the common thread throughout......which would be: (drumroll)

I do what is right to me, you do what is right to you and STOP TELLING OTHER PEOPLE WHAT TO DO.

Man, I am such a good writer......... :)

Just because you don't take your ritual seriously and tresure its meanings, doesnt mean that those of us who do are over-the-top sheep. We just understand and apprecitae what we are a part of. And if you would read all of "Greeks are Silly"'s posts, you would know that her comparisons are null and void, because you cannot compare the military to GLOs.

LSU: He used the military as a reason to demean ritual. Military v. GLOs is ridiculous.

Umm....no he didn't. He said quite clearly to those of us reading: I'm not saying the military is a better organization. I'm also not saying that your handshakes/rituals shouldn't have any meaning to you.

I'm saying blowing a gasket about someone outing the secret is immature.


And BTW...I do take ritual seriously. I just don't have a holier-than-thou approach to it.

Keystone: LMAO! That is hilarious! It's amazing what kids pick up on. Ask her what Hyperbole means. hee hee ;-)

AXOBelle was just saying that although we do treasure the meaning of our rituals and what they represent, freaking out over them isn't going to change the fact that there are collectors out there and ex-members with a grudge, or simply mean people with a mission who will post such things. It's gonna happen, and if it DOES, it does not , in any sense, weaken sisterly bonds if they existed to begin with!

Freaking out about it isn't going to take the info off the internet. In fact, freaking out never solved ANY problem: Calm, analytical thought is usually the best antidote.

Don't give them the satisfaction of seeing you panic, just ignore it.

AXOBelle has a perspective on things that I share. While my pledge is important and reflects who I am, sometimes you have to weigh what true 'jeopardy' is when you see the awful things that occur daily on this planet.

It is nasty that people would share sacred info on a website, but no one is going to die becasue of it. No one is going to starve, or get cancer, or lose a job, (or stop being an super-involved sister) just because someone posted a ritual or a meaning. It's really okay!

It will all be fine. Eventually they will lose interest with all of the false info they are posting and move on.

Me and my buddies have just figured out how to bring down the whole infidel country you so espouse to be "the greatest nation on earth"

Watching the fall of civilization as we know it unfold in front of our eyes, by simply divulging a sorority handshake...we have devised a new plan...

We will expose secret handshakes every hour on the hour until our demands are met...beginning with Kappa Delta:

With the handshake, both parties fold their pinkies and the "ring finger"
(the finger next to the pinkie) on their right hand.

Both parties then shake hands normally, except they "link" or "hook" their
ring fingers and pinkies when they grasp hands. Think of the hold that
one makes when they are thumb wrestling, except the only two fingers that
are grasping each other are the pinkies and ring fingers on the right hand.

Feel our power Infidels!!!!!

I think I felt a crack in the earth. Did 10,000 children just die of malaria? How DARE you reveal such secrets? Now everything is ruined forever.

Now you know the power of the darkside.

Come to the darkside...we have cookies.

Cookies did you say? Are they
Thin Mints? I care for those a great deal.

Now I must commit ritual suicide for my duplicity......

Have you got any Tag-a-Longs? Oh Devil, ye tempt me....

H-Y-P-E-R-B-O-L-E!!!!!!! What's that spell????

A bunch of crazy mental meanderings of a twisted mind! Woo hoo!!!!!

YEAH!!!!!!!!!

Me like the big words. SO fancy.

How about AXO?

Little fingers interlocked; the thumb on the second knuckle; the forefinger on the wrist. The grip should be covered with two hands.
Pressures, one long, two short, one long.
Answer, two short, one long.

You STILL have YET to address your two quotes. Is this because you do not want to judge yourself by the same standards by which you judge others? I really would like to share with you the story with those youths. Or is it because you just can't back down? I don't know why you refuse to address them, but until you do, you just can't be taken seriously. Holding everyone else to your standards (except yourself) is not very kind nor very realistic.

And if what someone says on a comment thread in regards to statements you made and irresponsibly contradicted thereafter scare you...I suggest that you get out of the house more and spend more time with real life people so that you can better judge what you should be wary of and what you should not. This is what is scary on the internet: pedophiles, people who stalk you or your family, people who steal your personal information, people who threaten you with harm, or people who steal your identity. People calling you out on a comment thread? Not so much.

There are obviously two types of Greeks.

Those who take their organization to heart, and treasure all of it's meanings. One of the reasons that secrets are so special is the curiosity that outsiders have, and the fact that they are the same rituals that our founders performed over 100 years ago. Personally, that means something to me, and I want to it to continue to be the sacred bond that it has been for 134 years.

Then there are the Greeks who join, but don't really take it seriously and never understand the true meaning of their organization.

I am beginning to think you might fall into one of those categories in your last paragraph. I am actually becoming a little frightened my you.

You are now on ignore, like I would do with ANYONE who harasses me without ceasing..

Well, gotta go, it's my day to volunteer at school. Not that I EVER get out of the house! :)

Have a great day everyone!

It hurts to see someone throw around bible verses and such and then be a hypocrite. Everyone in the world is a hypocrite at some point, probably at the least once a day, if not several. But you should ALWAYS be humble enough to admit it. You are not. Until you can admit that you make mistakes and can revise your statements, you are not representing the religion well at all. Christians should ALWAYS be humble so that they do not turn others off...there is no other way to spread the Word.

Again, if someone posting on a thread (who hasn't threatened you in the least, I might add, but has repeatedly pointed out statements that you refuse, every single time, to address) scares you, you do need to get out more. Your life must be a constant worry if such small things scare you. Maybe your one year of seniority hurts your computer savvy? People cannot reach through the computer screen to slap you. This isn't possible. Take a deep breath honey.

I am not harrassing you, of course. I am repeatedly asking you to address your former statements placing judgement on everyone but yourself. You will not. That is the reason you are "putting me on ignore"...you are acting like a very silly woman. No one has hurt you, but someone HAS asked you to be a good Christian and look again at what you say about others in relation to what you say about yourself. Something that everyone should learn, regardless of religion, is that if you find it necessary to push the title in everyone's face, you MUST at ALL times do your best to represent the faith, even if it means putting your pride aside...and if you know that you might not have the strength to succeed in a certain situation, you should "leave your religion at the door" just like I was told with letters...in other words, you should not advertise it while acting in the opposite manner.

So since you do not have what it takes to be humble, I will set it out for you.
Since breaking pledges is a reflection on your character, there has been one made, by me, on yours.
Since you tell others not to judge but do so yourself, there has been another reflection made.
Since you cannot find the strength to either hold yourself to your own standards or revise them, I have made another.

If you do not like that, it is in your power to change it. Otherwise you have left yourself open for MUCH "reflection" here by anyone who wishes to read it.

Y'all are writing freaking novels on here. Take it to pm or something. WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU. Nobody is reading what you've written because you've written waaaayyyyyyyyy too much. Not to mention the fact that most people on here are just wnating to read secrets. Neither one of you are sharing any of those. So Leave.

Shut. up. Both. of. you. !!!!!!!

Can we take back the word SYMBOLISM and let SYMBOLOGY die a horrible death with Dan Brown please and thank you?

LOL Symbology.

Now who had the Thin Mints? It's been a long day. Someone promised cookies?

I posted on here a few days ago about the pledge who got the boot because of a jealous active.
Well, I had lunch today with my sister who found me on MySpace and asked her whatever happened to everyone. She hasn't stayed in touch too much, but the senior girl that deactivated lived in the same dorm as her and told her that the pledge thing wasnt the only reason and she also said that she was fed up about the two-sidedness. Apparently not only were there two pregers and unmarried officers but another active , a senior, was having an affair with a professor in the math dept. and it was not really much of a secret. (unless you were a freshman lol, cuz I never knew about that.)

Anyway, she said none of the members involved are ever at alum gatherings, even for the college homecomings, but she said she didn't go much either so she didn't have any more info about the whole thing. But she did hear that both of the pregnant sisters did get married right after graduation, I think one might have left before then since she was farther along in her pregnancy....I should be able to remember that much , I hadn't transferred yet.

I had said I would post again if I had anymore info, sorry it's not juicier!

But it was fun to see my friend again. :)

It's probably a good thing it isn't juicier, you know? Well it sounds like she was happy with her choice, and it sounds like they needed someone to make such a drastic move to draw attention to the double standards. Pledges often get the short end of the stick because they are easier to get rid of than sisters.

It's funny that the sister who deactivated in protest shows up and those other girls don't.

I'm glad you got to see your friend!

Obviously, I don't know if they are real or not but the ADPI post doesn't sound fake at all...
In fact I showed an ADPI this post and they even said it was pretty pretty close... A few details are left out but it's the overall initiation!

And to all the ADPIs- STOP talking about how fake everything is- it's obvious this is real! Sorry your BOND ISN't CLOSEST that someone would betray you and write your ritual!

i was an adpi at a small school in north carolina
not going to say which one because i would hate to hurt the chapter, even though it is going down hill...


i'm not going to lie this is pretty much our whole ritual
a few things with the handshake sound off a bit from what i remember
but overall its true

who cares anyways most people know adpi's ritual

:-(

DO THEY REALLY HAVE TO GET INTO A COFFIN???

No no. The sister I had lunch with was not the de-activated girl, but back at school, they lived on the same hall and used to talk while this was all going on.

She said she hasn't heard from any of the girls, not even her. lol. But I really am curious what happened to the girl that started the whole rumor thing. Oh well guess i'll never know.

yea, it was good to see her (the sister I had lunch with) again. She was always such a nice girl.

Gosh I hope not. I would freak out. Where did that come from? Surely it's not true.

I saw a post earlier about going to www.greekchat.com and I went there and lurked for a bit.

It is awful. Some of those posts, with their letters right there in their signatures, using really awful language and just being really mean. I don't know why the earlier poster recommended that site and I cannot believe some of the things written with the posters GLs right in view. It does nothing to mkae Greeks look better to non-Greeks. Pretty bad.

Yes, I used to post there hoping to get back in touch with some of the girls I lost touch with. That was a few years back and it was kind of rough even then. Some of the members will crash threads and use profanity, etc. I quit going there for that reason.

Yes, Chi Omega uses a coffin in their ritual. Or at least we used to. The dead owl thing is just a rumor. It isn't as creepy as it sounds. It's just to signify a rebirth of the candidate. She isn't the same person after initiation as she was before. It's actually kinda neat. The robes are really cool. The candidates have to remove their dress and be robed in front of the whole chapter. The coffin wasn't nearly as bad as that was!!!!!!!!

The colors represent the sunset (or maybe the sunrise, it's been so long I don't really remember). I won't say what anything else means because even though I'm not active any more, I'd hate to ruin it for others about to go through initiation.

I've heard KD used to use a coffin, but now they've changed it. And I think they also used to wear KKK robes, complete with hoods and everything. My roommate in college was a KD and that's what she said. Granted that was a million years ago. Their colors are represent the white rose (white and green). I think what is posted above is right about what the letters and other things mean, but I don't know for sure since I'm not KD.

And about GreekChat. It is pretty atrocious. I think the poster who mentioned it was banned anyway. I think she's just trying to stir up trouble.

You have to remove your dress in front of the whole chapter! That kinda sounds creepy. I do get the rebirth thing though.

sym·bol·o·gy (sÄ­m-bÅ?l'É™-jÄ“)

n.
1. The study or interpretation of symbols or symbolism.
2. The use of symbols.

For the love of all that is pure and holy....

PLEASE SHUT UP!

OMG! I can't believe you exposed us! Don't you know that everytime the AXO handshake is revealed, God kills a kitten?!?!??

Our sorority will never be the same!


LOL!

Did not use KKK robes.

This is not a message board. You cannot get banned.

I'm so sad. I love kittens. So cute and fluffy. :(

Please save the kittens.

AXOBelle, I DO have a question, though. Is the meaning behind your colors secret, or is that a public thing? I just wondered what the red and green symbolize. Please don't let anymore kittens die.

The AXO founders really loved Christmas.

Okay, not really...
Our colors, scarlet and olive green, symbolize for us many phases of life. Scarlet brings visions of love,strength, good cheer, and happiness. We see in it the flicker of the hearth fire and the glow of the flame, the very blood pulsating in our veins. It suggests the active and aggressive.
On the other hand, green typifies the passive qualities, and in its contemplation, we think of quietude, infinity and things eternal. The combination of these two is symbolic of complete existence.

Thanks! Lovely meanings. This is going to sound odd, but I never knew the green was 'olive', it looked more Christmas-y green on jerseys as I recall (but it's been while, YIKES) . I always heard there was something about a maple tree's leaves that inspired the colors. Is that true?

I would share mine, not that you asked (ha ha), but I am almost positive that I didn't find out until initiation....It may be public, but I really can't remember. I never cared much for my colors until I knew the meanings, though. :)

It's a fable in AXO that the founders were sitting under a tree in the fall while discussing the sorority colors and were inspired by the colors of the maple tree leaves scattered on the ground. Not sure whether it's true or just a very nice story. Just like the Tri-Delta story about the founders pledging each other under a night sky with three stars.

Which sorority are you in, KeyStone? Kappa?

I am a very far 'out' Pi Phi. (20-something years). I am not a very active alum (as you prob know if you read any earlier posts). But I am really finding these conversations interesting.

I have two nieces that both just pledged, one DG and I can't remember what the other pledged. (Actually they are actives, now!) It got me thinking about the 'old days' and that's how I stumbled here...but the thread has turned in to a WHOLE other thing!

Our colors are Wine and Silver Blue and our flower is the Wine Carnation. We are also 'angels' but it's kind of an afterthought symbol. It's not official. My chapter did not allow pledges to wear letters, we had to wear script. Actually, the AXOs had the same rule at my school, too. Isn't it sad that I can't remember what things I learned as a pledge (um, New Member) and after initiation? In any case, I better not say anyomore about it.

Also, I have always LOVED the Tri-Delts symbols. I just love pansies and I think pines are a wonderful symbol of constancy. The blue and gold are pretty, too.

I loved Pi Phi while in school. My cousin was president on our campus. I joined another sorority but I regret not joining Pi Phi. I was trying to be different than my family. Oh well! I collect angels and have since i was 5 so I love that they have the angel.

SYMBOLOGY [2007-05-02 23:07:32] Infidel butt kicker sym·bol·o·gy (sÄ­m-bÅ?l'É™-jÄ“)

n.
1. The study or interpretation of symbols or symbolism.
2. The use of symbols.

No one was studying or using symbols, they were discussing what they meant which is the symbolism of the symbols.

Dan Brown can DIAF.

LOL! My mom was a Tri-Delt and my dad an ATO. My brother did not pledge, but he was pre-med and had alot on his plate, and I am the only one of the three girls to pledge and I went Pi Phi. I just like the girls better, although I preffed Tri-Delt and Pi Phi.

My bro is now a Mason, though, just like my Dad...so they do share some things in secret. :) I know very little about that except they are York Rite and they have alot of rituals like fraternities do.

Does anyone know the significance of the crown and the strawberry. I thought the strawberry was public knowledge but I can't remember.

Does anyone know about Gamma Phi Beta's Rituals? They are on our campus and i was just interested, so if anyone knows anything let me know. Thanks everyone

KD did use robes similar to KKK's robes. Part of the meaning behind the ceremony was connected to the hoods. During the first part of 3rd degree, they wore the hoods; during the second part of 3rd degree the hoods were on, but not covering their face; during the 3rd part of 3rd degree, the hoods were completely thrown back. It signified the gradual revealing of the secrets. If you're not KD, then you wouldn't know. If you are KD, then you're only denying it to try to protect the secrets. This IS how it was done many years ago. It may have changed, but like I said, this IS what happened. It sounds scary, but beautiful at the same time.

And I think ChiO alum was saying that Blue Angel was banned from GreekChat. We all know you can't be banned from here. Otherwise, you'd be first on the ban list.

I simply said they did not use KKK robes.

According to most boards TOS, actually, I haven't seen anyone yet who would be banned, unless the moderartors had an agenda and banned based on opinions. No one has made threats, no one has called nasty names (well, someone has, but they are still pretty mild), no one has revealed identifying information of a poster...it's actually pretty amazing considering the circumstances.

Yeah we do use Coffins!!!!! We make each girl get into them and stay in until each ceremony is over and then they are reborn a Chi O!! There is no "dead owl" in the coffin either but I wouldn't be suprised if that happened before.

The Chi Omega coffin thing actually sounds really...well, this is gonna sound awkward...beautiful, in a ritualistic sense (the notion of being "reborn"). While I love my ritual to death and think its gorgeous in its presentation, the Chi Omega ritual certainly does sound intriguing.

Well everyone, we are so busy talking about sorority secrets, why dont we have somebody talk about fraternity secrets. I myself am very interested to hear about KDR, and takers?

oops....meant any takers?

IMO fraternity rituals are boring and macabre compared to sorority rituals. maybe it's because I'm a girl, but I'd rather sit through almost any sorority ritual (not AST!) than any fraternity.

I enjoy reading and studying rituals. Unfortunately, I have only a small collection, but I would like to expand. Anyone interested in discussing rituals (and trading), please email me at:

ritual_collector@yahoo.com

Perhaps we could start a discussion group. It would be nice to have a place to talk about them where we don't get flamed by members of sororities and/or fraternities, and where we can talk about them in depth, instead of just trading secrets.

There might already exist a discussion group as I mentioned above. If anyone is aware of one open to new members, please email me.

Yeah a discussion board would be great......I have seen a new group on google groups with some fairly recent activity, maybe we could move over there......anyway if anyone else is willing to trade, or discuss them just send me an email at larry.davis62@gmail.com

LD

I'd be interested in finding a forum in Google or elsewhere.Where is that group you mentioned? Or where would you start one?

http://groups.google.com/group/Eponymous

Here is a new place to talk. LSU, please stay home.

Is there a way to make this group private (like, people have to ask to join)...I ask because there's two types of people who are interested in secrets. The type that actually cares and will read rituals/information for scholarly pursuits, or the random immature college guy who will go around ruining the experience for everybody. It really wouldn't be hard and if you are the type of collector you claim you are, you probably at least respect the rituals and therefore would see the reason why they should be at least a little secret. I'm not saying don't give the info out to anybody...but at control who actually wants the know the symbology for mature reasons. It actually does mean a lot to us.

It's done. :) Thanks for the tip. I never started a forum before. But after lurking for a while, thought you guys had a great idea. Come on over.

I am actually not even a collector, just thought this was a worthwhile discussion that should have it's own forum. I hope it works. I have enjoyed reading on this site, with the exception of the posts which resemble novellas. But collectors are welcome.

One word of advice: If you are a member on GreekChat and a lurker here, you might want to reconsider attempting to join the forum. It is a place for serious discussion and not for public discourse. If you are a member of a GLO genuinely interested in discussion and sharing, then please visit. But if you just want to come and hurl abuse at people, stay in GreekChat. And if you DO attempt to join, don't be such an idiot as to use the same nickname you use on GreekChat. At least make it hard for me to tell you to piss off.

Does anyone have the ritual information for Tri-Sigma? I'm hoping to add it to my collection

To the person who keeps asking about our ritual, STOP! It's simple and beautiful. No one is going to tell you. Get over it.

^

You want to know other GLO's secrets but get pissy if yours is mentioned?
Hypocrite much?

But only if you are willing to share. Also this is an adult forum. No name calling, profanity or false info posted for revenge. Click on my nickname to request entry. You must be willing to state your interest or intentions before being allowed to join.

Don't go thinking everyone on GC are assholes. Collectors there can't exactly stick their heads up and say that they collect; but we're there nonetheless.

Um, dude, I don't HAVE a verification image on my forum.(That I know of, unless Google put one there) I only ask that you state your purpose before allowing entry. And FYI, many of our forum members are on GC. I just don't want the sh*t-talking trouble makers on our forum. I 'heart' collectors. I just dont 'heart' GC members who abuse other users on the boards and say "that's just my sense of humor" and that kind of crap won't be allowed on GLO Ritual. We only want members respectful of the tradition and beauty of the rituals and willing to discuss them in an adult manner.

Ha, no I'm refering to the one on this site. It takes me multiple tries to get it right every single time I post here.

I'm not pissed at you, just this site!

Gotcha. It is annoying. I need my glasses just to post. I am old.

Anyone know the motions for "one hand, one heart, one destiny"? Or how about the grip?

'cause all y'all greeks done retarded the place up.